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1652 New England 3 Pence?

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 Posted 03/31/2020  05:57 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add larsjan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello everyone,

I just registered on this forum hoping to get some more information and opinions about this coin.
I live in the Netherlands and there is little information about these types of coins.
A few years ago I bought a batch of old coins from an old collection, including this undefined coin.
After a long search on the internet I found the coins struck by Hull and Sanderson.
Now my question is of course what you think of this coin and whether there is a chance that it is real.

Size: 19-20 mm
Weight: 1.13 grams


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 Posted 03/31/2020  06:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well if it is real, then you have struck the lottery as I believe that only one example of this coin is known to exist. However, confirming real vs. fake on this piece is well out of my league. I'm interested to see what others think.
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 Posted 03/31/2020  07:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoctorBurnzy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm rather interested in this. It's not like the modern apparent fakes I've seen out there. https://ninecarolineantiques.com/16...-silver-coin. The dimensions are close to exact. https://coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoi...Coinage.html
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 Posted 03/31/2020  07:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larsjan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I found this example to be the only genuine one known.
https://www.masshist.org/database/v...=3239&pid=36
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 Posted 03/31/2020  08:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF.
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 Posted 03/31/2020  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larsjan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am unsure whether to send this coin in for grading / authentication to PSGS or NGC.
The chance that it is a real one is very small, but if it is an old forgery then it may still be worth some money I think.
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 Posted 03/31/2020  09:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoctorBurnzy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well since there is only one known.....the experts out there who have handled and seen one may be few and far between.....Since the cost of getting it graded is minimal compared to the possible financial return.....I know I would chance it and get it graded if I even thought there were a chance at its authenticity. But, that's just my opinion. I hope some others chime in and give their opinions. You said you received this in a coin lot....What other coins came from the coin lot/group of coins that were associated with this coin?
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 Posted 04/01/2020  08:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larsjan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Indeed, I think it is best to send it in for authentication.
I just need to figure out the best way, I find it rather risky to send such a small potentially valuable coin to the United States.

I am an antique dealer with a great love for old coins, I do not collect them but I buy them regularly when I come across something nice.
Years ago I bought an antique coin cabinet that still contained several old tokens, complete with their described antique coin holders.
They were all medals of bronze and silver, mostly from the 17th and 18th centuries (approximately 60 pieces).
All tokens were neatly described on the coin holders, which I have all sold this time.
This was the only copy that had no description and therefore kept it (fortunately) so that I could try to identify it myself.
For years I thought it was some sort of play token or emergency money until I recently saw Hull and Sanderson's coins pass by and recognized it.
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 Posted 04/01/2020  10:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larsjan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just put my coin and the only known real copy on top of each other and drawn some lines.
Although there are clear differences in the stamps, the proportions all match.


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 Posted 04/01/2020  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikev50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
imo I would wait until the coin shows come back---i would not send this coin in the mail---
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 Posted 04/01/2020  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thecoinguy1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great find, I sure hope it's the real deal!
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 Posted 04/01/2020  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Would be an incredible story if real. Good luck !
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 Posted 04/03/2020  03:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larsjan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just made a composition for comparison.
The 6 pence coins are mainly minted with the same NE stamp as the 3 pence coins. I have found some examples of this online that have been declared as real.
Each stamp is slightly different, often due to wear, double strokes or recutting of the stamps.
Frankly, I think the stamp on my coin fits in well.
It also seems as if my copy has also been double struck.
In recent days I had contact with someone from Heritage Auctions, who told me that the experts there think of an old forgery, I am not that far yet ...
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