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1952 D Lincoln 30% Off Center On Odd Planchet

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 Posted 09/11/2021  7:49 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Willburton to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Definitely something going on here that isn't labeled on the slab. Hard to weigh a coin in a slab but I compared it to one other and this coin weighed 0.2 grams more than the other slab. The two possibilities to me are split planchet (odd they wouldn't mention the underweight planchet) or a roller error. What do you think?



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 Posted 09/11/2021  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Way above my pay grade, but a great coin for sure.
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 Posted 09/11/2021  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that it is odd to see such a rough planchet. I'm also interested to see what folks think.
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 Posted 09/11/2021  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Willburton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys my thoughts as well. I bought it as a normal off center cent but the seller knew there was something up as well. He said he wasn't sure what it was and NGC didn't clarify when he submitted the coin.
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 Posted 09/11/2021  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
World coins with this amount of off center can be had in the $50 to $100 range.
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 Posted 09/12/2021  04:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The planchet before striking does look...well striking
There is more than the off center strike here. Maybe Mike would like to see it?
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 Posted 09/12/2021  08:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kenwright396 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice example, thanks for sharing.
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 Posted 09/12/2021  08:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lots going on there. Very nice addition to your collection! I'm sure you checked it, Will but it looks like something going on inside the mm too. That would be cool to have an RPM or OMM on top of everything else.
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 Posted 09/12/2021  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin.
But if it split before the strike (which it looks like due to the raised areas/streaks on the obv) it should weigh less not more than the other slab.
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 Posted 09/12/2021  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Willburton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys. We'll see. I did notice the mint mark looking funny and it seemed to possibly be a minor RPM as well. I'll be home later if more pictures are needed.
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 Posted 09/12/2021  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The off center is the premium for the coin. If the weight was less, it doesn't matter. Does affect the value of the coin.
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 Posted 09/12/2021  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Willburton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not so sure you're right about this coop.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/196.../1231-9596.s

This one sold for a grand. Also I wasn't asking for an appraisal on this coin. Having the coin in hand it's still hard to diagnose. If I had to guess after looking at the coin several times I would call it a split planchet before strike but have not ruled out a rolled through error either. My last observation is that the mounds and perforations on this coin are not raised high or deep into the planchet. It's hard to see them at certain angels. I was hoping for it to be one of those rolled through textures and patterns but can't confirm anything without breaking the coin out of the case.

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 Posted 09/12/2021  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In the 1950s, the Denver mint used everything that was available to strike coins. The post-war boom was in full swing, and production demands pushed the mint's capacity.

In addition to two-head and four-head Bliss vertical presses, Denver still had outdated knuckle-joint Bliss and Ferracute presses. They were clunky, slow, and single-head presses. These definitely were used to strike quarters in Denver well into the 1950s.

Here are questions that I can't answer:
Did Denver use the knuckle-joint presses for cents in 1952?
If so, could the rocking action of the knuckle-joint press have brought either the ram or the unfinished bevel of the die into contact with the planchet obverse, either before this planchet was struck off-center or during that strike?

Just a thought for discussion. I don't have any answers here. The slow single-head knuckle presses absolutely were in use in 1952 in Denver to strike quarters. Other denominations? *shrug*
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 Posted 09/12/2021  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Weight would be different if it is a split off. You might check other examples to see if the devices fade near struck areas? It might be worth getting it regraded? Check with Mike Diamond to get his thoughts? Possibly his confirmation could be sent in with the coin?
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 Posted 09/13/2021  07:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The texture of the unstruck crescent on the obverse certainly resembles that of a split planchet. Comparing slab weights is not reliable. If you crack it out, and the coin's weight is normal, then we will have to consider more exotic scenarios, such as a rolled-in texture.
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