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Help With This Scandanavian ? Austria? Hungary? (Id: Abercorn Kirk Scottish Communion Token)

 
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 Posted 12/16/2022  11:26 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi all. Any help here would be appreciated.

This is a uniface coin that I picked up in a group of medieval and ancient coins.

4.7g, non magnetic, about 18mm. Looks like it might be a zinc type alloy, although it does not have the corrosion you would expect from an old zinc coin. Perhaps it is lead.

The intertwined initials look a bit Scandanavian to me. I think they are KABC but it is hard to tell for sure.

I dont think that this is a button. I am thinking it is some sort of primitive cast coin?

Thanks!!



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 Posted 12/16/2022  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmm I'm finding nothing. I also tried a few other monograms including KABG, KAIBC, and KAIBG.
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 Posted 12/16/2022  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it does not look like any coin that I have seen. That's why I suspect that it is not.
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 Posted 12/16/2022  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am wondering if it was some sort of a crest taken off of something else...a chest? some other piece of furniture?

Maybe someone used a signet marking in a clump of molten lead?

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 Posted 12/17/2022  03:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What you have here is a very early Scottish communion token. It is made of lead, as most early communion tokens were. "KABC" stands for "Abercorn Kirk". This is a "first generation" token, from the 1600s or 1700s. Later tokens tended to be more elaborate, with Bible verses on them and more clearly naming the church and/or the minister who distributed the tokens.

It is token number 5, illustration number 4 in the book "COMMUNION TOKENS OF THE ESTABLISHED CHURCH OF SCOTLAND - SIXTEENTH, SEVENTEENTH, AND EIGHTEENTH CENTURIES" by Alexander J. S. Brook, a very old book (1907) now in the public domain so you can download it from the web from numerous sources, such as here: http://journals.socantscot.org/inde...d/7095/7064/

Scroll down to the "illustrations" section (page 101 of the download, page 553 of the original publication) and look at the fourth picture; it is an exact match for your token: KABC monogram within four stars.

I found it by Googling "KABC monogram lead token".

If you're unfamiliar with the concept of the communion token, the book has some introductory paragraphs describing their use. But basically, they were tickets of entry for Church of Scotland (Presbyterian) communion services. The Presbyterian Church traditionally hold communion either monthly or four times per year, and is traditionally a "closed communion" church; only those deemed worthy may partake. In the week before the communion service, the minister would interview you, to ensure you were worthy. If satisfied, he would give you a token. The tokens would then be collected on entry to the communion service, which was held separately to the regular church service; nobody without a token would be allowed in.
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 Posted 12/17/2022  07:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ttkoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great answer Spence, love this place
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 Posted 12/17/2022  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I must say I am impressed! Many thanks. I spent a lot of time searching those letters with various additions but got nowhere.

We had communion tokens here in Canada. I have had a few, all of which coincidentally were from Scottish Presbyterian churches. It should have occurred to me as a possibility because the look of this one could be seen as a predecessor to the somewhat similar later Canadian ones, many of which were aluminum.
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Great answer Spence, love this place


Glad you love this place but it is @sap who is the rockstar!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb

"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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