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Wait just a minute slick....you didn't learn anything there....Bryan is just messin' with us. Absolutely nothing he just said is true except this part: Quote:Actually with each die pair there is a new VAM. |
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Zee is correct on that point, 14.2 is a die specific VAM,as well as its associated 14.15 and 14.20 by die marriage.All of the 14 series have numerous reverse types, AKA...A1C, A1D, A1J ect..reading the descriptions of the obverse dies for the 14 series, does not lead me to believe the OVB was only one die used t=for the entire 14 series as many of the hubbing characteristics are not equally noted by all 14 series obverse descriptions/listings.. I think Bryan's post was to demonstrate how Vams can share one die and be married to multiple dies and assigned different VAM numbers..Or perhaps its April 4th who knows? Hope we skip the winter.LOL |
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Wait just a minute slick....you didn't learn anything there....Bryan is just messin' with us. Absolutely nothing he just said is true except this part:
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My doctor has put me on some new medication and I guess it messed with me allot worse than I though it did. I thought if I re-read what I posted I would be able to explain what I was trying to say better, but to be honest here I have no idea what point I was trying to make here. I not know what I was trying to say unless I was thinking about like VAM-1 and VAM-1A and got the numbers and letters mixed up as I was typing. I apologize for the confusion. I am really embarrassed by this post and I will refrain from posting after dinner when I am supposed to take that medication again until I get used to the new medications I am on or not take the ambien unless I am going to go straight to bed. I wish No one else had read the post before I woke up and saw it myself that way I could have edited it to be correct or just removed the post all together. But I will post an edit on the post so no one else gets confused
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I want some of 'that' stuff Bryan. How much is it? Does it come if capsule form, or do you smoke it?
Seriously, I had a friend who took the stuff, and he complained about having the most vividly strange dreams....dreams in which his entire personality would change dramatically. He finally stopped taking it because of those dreams.
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Seriously, I had a friend who took the stuff, and he complained about having the most vividly strange dreams....dreams in which his entire personality would change dramatically. He finally stopped taking it because of those dreams. The worst part about it is I don't remember any of it, maybe I need to cut the pill in half or something. I was just wanting something to help me sleep not anything that will make me do things I don't want to remember doing. I just read some of the side effects and it lists hallucinations, abnormal behavior, or severe confusion as something that you should contact your doctor about, so maybe I should do that before taking anymore of it. I have never had any medication do me this way before |
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Yeah, that would be scary. A visit to the doc might well be in order. I find that nothing over the counter, under the counter, on the streets, or prescribed by an M.D. works quite like Strawberry Hill or even Mad Dog 20/20. (First bottle to relax, the second to sleep like a baby). Anyway, to change the subject just a bit (but not really), I have never understood the VAM numbering system (if 'system' is even a good word for it). Was this whole thing envisioned and finalized at Woodstock? Or do I have LVA confused with this character ?  Ooops, here's a better picture:  Sometimes I think that all of this die progression jazz confuses things to the point of a turn off for new vammers. I do understand that closer inspection leads to differences that may be considered to be 'significant' to the more seasoned collector, but the listing of everything all together as if they are all of equal status and importance may be a drawback. Take 1921-S for instance.....vam-1...does it really mean that vam-1A and 1B are stages of vam-1 ? (I am asking because I don't know). Vam-1B is a thornhead as I recall, vam-1A is not. Now add a number to vam-1B to make it vam-1B1 (die progression I would imagine)....die progresses further.... make it vam-1B2..... then 1B3.... die progresses even further.... add a letter this time, making it vam-1B3A......whatever........further progression....... this time though, instead of making it 1B3B..... it shall be 1B4..........I understand that there is probably some deep thought and rationalization going on to make these decisions, but........paleeezzz. The 8TF with the numbers..... then numbers with periods and more numbers..... and then back to only numbers, is really more than I can comprehend. I had thought at first, that hub type might be the key....nope, hub type was not a consideration in the designations of the period adorned vams. Does 'anybody' understand this seemingly dreamlike order of numbering? Edited by zeewool
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Nothing like a little levity to make sure everyone is awake, lol.....Bryan, You have nothing to be embarrassed about, we are only interested in you being ok.....PS, Sharing also would be nice too.....
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Sharing also would be nice too..... Yeah, but I was jesting....while I am a joker, I am not a toker. (or however that 'word' is spelled). How about the numbering system thing though? Any insight there Mike? |
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Take 1921-S for instance.....vam-1...does it really mean that vam-1A and 1B are stages of vam-1 ? (I am asking because I don't know). The intent is for this to be true. The Thornheads are later stages of the same die designated as VAM-1; VAM-1A has been discovered to be a VAM-6 die and name-altered appropriately. I suspect the Thornheads will eventuallly be matched to another existing die pair, and move to that number. Don't forget, for all the thousands upon thousands of coins that Van Allen and Malis examined, they still began this effort with only a very small percentage of the extant population. One may assume they realized all along that changes would have to be made as research expanded. I contend that an important step in the progress of VAMming will be the elimination of the concept of "VAM-1, Normal Die." To my mind, "VAM-1" could only be the very first die pair employed in a given year, and that information is not available in most instances. Heck, the only "first die pair" I know to be identified is 1878-P, and that's VAM-9.  |
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I am sorry for the wrong information I posted
No problem here Bryan, I have "strange things" happen with the meds the doc's have me own. Quote:The VAM 14.2 obverse is unique. No other VAM shares this particular obverse. The VAM 14.2 reverse is the second stage of a reverse shared with first stage VAM 14.20 and third stage VAM 14.15. No other vams share this reverse with VAM 14.2 other than vams 14.20 and 14.15. zeewool, so quite afew of these must have been made since these are "common" Vams? By that I mean not a Top 100 or a Hot 50. I went to the VAM site and they have a list showing them in different grades, with I guess are the amounts known to exist and there sure doesn't seem to be very many.  |
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I went back to just straight melatonin for tonight to see if it will help me sleep until I can get my doctor to call me back to advise me on what I should do since it seems I did something last night that I don't even remember doing. its quite scary when you think about it because there is no telling what I could have done last night especially since I now live alone
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its quite scary when you think about it because there is no telling what I could have done last night especially since I now live alone I agree totally, it's something you need to get taken care of. Take care.  |
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Slick, I don't think that rarity is a prerequisite for being a Top 100 or a Hot 50 coin. (At least it isn't supposed to be). I really have no idea what rationale was used when choosing the coins on those lists, I think that you will find, that coins with interesting or unusual features will make those sorts of lists before rare Plain Janes will.
The 14.2 that you have may be considered common in relationship to other 8TF varieties, but compare 8TF to other years and mints, and the term 'common' shifts in perspective. I have always thought of 8TF as being very special in the vast sea of Morgan varieties, and yours is one very nice looking 8TF.
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Thanks zeewool. I will catch on to this Morgan/Vam thing one of these days. Maybe. |
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