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Quote:Which ebay policy were they violating? At a listing price of $285,000, I'm thinking this one (bolded). Policy overview To help ensure buyer confidence in the stamps, currency, and coins listed on ebay, we've established a set of guidelines for our sellers to follow. These guidelines cover what can and can't be sold on ebay, and the requirements for certain listings. [snipped] Coin and paper currency listings can only mention a grade in the title or listing when that grade has been given by an approved grading company. Coin and paper currency listings over a certain value must be graded by an approved grading company.Make sure your listing follows these guidelines. If it doesn't, it may be removed, and you may be subject to a range of other actions, including limits of your buying and selling privileges and suspension of your account. http://pages.ebay.ca/help/policies/currstamps.htmlEdit to add: TheCoinHunter, yes for typical coin ebay probably doesn't bother enforcing their policy but this information does appear on their Canadian site. Anyone know the benchmark of ebay's "certain value"?
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07/24/2015 12:46 am
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If something is to good to be true, stay away
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If something is to good to be true, stay away
Wise words. There is no good reason a seller would attempt to sell a genuine coin such as an extremely rare 1921 50c on ebay. I'd expect there enough of an existing network amongst highend dealers that the minute one was known to be for sale, a buyer would be found. Otherwise it would be auctioned. In this case, that ebay has a policy whereby coins above a certain value must be graded by an approved grading company, I think is a prudent business practise.
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WFAB, This section of ebay Policy is just a copy from the US site. Although admittedly because the policy is worded the same as the US site, in theory it can obviously be applied to Canadian Sellers listing ICCS coins on ebay.ca, it's just not enforced. The "spirit" of that policy is specific to US coins and coins that are listed under the US coins section and/or specifically on ebay.com. The policy is actually not written into any of the European sites and it's certainly not enforced there either. If you read the rest of the policy that you posted (and although it doesn't apply specifically to visible grades), it does reference monetary limit rules specific to listing coins under the " US coins" category. A good example of something that would not likely pass the ebay smell test is a Morgan graded by ICCS and posted in the US coin section with the grade in the header. Last but not least, we don't know for a fact that the coin on which this thread started was removed as a result of this policy. Edited by TheCoinHunter
07/24/2015 4:46 pm
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Last but not least, we don't know for a fact that the coin on which this thread started was removed as a result of this policy. I do.
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I can't prove or disprove the validity of what you know or what 10 other policy infractions this listing would have encroached and so I'm not about to argue it. Nor am I here to argue whether the policy should or should not be in place. Frankly, as a dealer that sells many graded coins, I don't mind a large portion of it. The fact remains that thousands of Canadian ICCS / CCCS graded coins are successfully listed, bought and sold on ebay.ca without being hounded. It's also fact that one can list raw coins or coins graded by other grading companies on most world wide ebay sites (even if they do show on ebay.com due to shipping settings) with grades next to them without breaking policy of those sites. Edited by TheCoinHunter
07/24/2015 5:29 pm
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I do.
Would it be fair to say that in general ebay applies their Policy much in the same as many municipalities apply many of their Bylaws (in Canada anyway) and that's to say it's done mainly on a reporting/complaint basis? For example if someone contacts ebay because they notice a listed coin is counterfeit, ebay is legally entitled to remove that listing simply because their policy states that coins over a certain value must be graded by an approved grader? In turn, that resolves the issue of authenticity in a round about way and ebay has justifiable cause to delete the listing, whether it's a bogus listing or not.
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Quote:The fact remains that thousands of Canadian ICCS / CCCS graded coins are successfully listed, bought and sold on ebay.ca without being hounded. And they won't be unless they are reported, same as on the US site.
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So let's go a step further Bobby...What about coins listed on the ebay UK site or the German site?...The US coins listed there (even ones available to ship to the US) do not fall under the ebay.com policy? Correct? |
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Not sure. I know that when Canadian sellers were reported they used to say that it didn't apply to them even though they showed on US. Now they will remove them, and the rule also shows on ebay.ca now. I don't go looking for them as there are bigger fish to fry, but if I can use that to get rid of an otherwise questionable listing, or pester a shady seller, so be it. |
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Actually if Ebayers are listing ICCS or CCCS coins on ebay that would hardly make them shady sellers or result in a questionable listing. It really adds credibility to that seller in my opinion. Major U.S. Auction houses have and continue to offer ICCS coins in their sales. The track record is long and proven . ICCS has an excellent reputation and has stood the test of time since 1986. ebay certainly has far bigger problems than going after reputable sellers that list and sell ICCS or CCCS coins, many of whom myself included , are long standing members of professional organizations such as the ANA. As to the listing of this so called 1921 fifty cents, I am sure it violated more than one ebay policy and possible a conflict with PNG (The real Professional Numismatic Guild, NOT the M.Mouse grading service shown in the listing) I am fairly sure that PNG is or has a copyright or trademark in place for the use of that name. |
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I didn't say it made them shady.
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I dont think ebay should allow ICCS flips the same credibility as PSGS or NGC hard slabs. Doctoring flips and switching out coins is much to easy in those flimsy ICCS holders. And who would you trust the company that grades ten of thousands of US coins or a the small canadian one that grades thousands? |
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For Canadian coins the small one with the flimsy flips thank you. As to switch out and doctoring , the TPG in the states are having a time of it with counterfeit slabs if I am not mistaken. When you get right down to it ,the U.S. TPG should stick to what they do very badly and that is grade US coins and nails  . The rest of the numismatic world sees things just a touch differently than the almighty PCGS and NGC folks. Heck if they were so wonderful, why the need for CAC and the green bean. The U.S. TPG s exist for one purpose ............ Creating as much revenue as possible for the TPG. Please do not get me wrong I use all the grading services ( PCGS not so much) to my benefit and revenue enhancement as well as that is what MY customers demand. |
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You can list ICCS and CCCS on ebay.ca with no worry of removal. ebay.com they may be removed. |
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