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Lincoln Key Dates From Ebay , How Did I Do ?

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 Posted 11/02/2011  02:39 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ricardocody to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
so I finaly decided to fill the holes on my circulated lincoln collection with some shopping at ebay .
I need you opinion to see if I'm doing it right or not !?. Please check it out and give me your opinion !

1914d
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1914-D-LINC...t_3849wt_689

1909s
http://www.ebay.com/itm/23069067717...ht_740wt_922
1924d
http://www.ebay.com/itm/38037035557...t_4009wt_922

1912s
http://www.ebay.com/itm/22085142485...ht_500wt_922

1922d
http://www.ebay.com/itm/25088142913...ht_591wt_689

Now I need only 1914s,1909s vdb,1939d to complete my main album .
I feel I overpaid for the 09s and 14d but I feel I did good with the others !.

Any way 95% of the album came from roll hunting so I win in the end ( or not?) what you have to tell about the buys ?

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11/02/2011 02:44 am
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 Posted 11/02/2011  03:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice little lot there!

1914-D - I'd want to see it up close, in hand there are so many fakes out there, but from what I can see it looks good on the obv. the rev is a bit granular looking which could mean cast, check the weight when you have it in hand. Should be 3.11 grams if genuine.
1912-S - nice!
1922-D - looks to have some damage on the rev. a gouge at the T of cent, but seems like a good price.
1924-D - might have PVC residue at the 12:00-1:00 on the rim, (acetone will kill PVC residue and is safe on the coin, just don't breathe the stuff, or smoke around it) if that's what it is. Good buy.
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 Posted 11/02/2011  03:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Whoops I missed the 1909-S a bit more than I'd pay, don't like the discolored spot on Lincoln's head.
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 Posted 11/02/2011  03:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ricardocody to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 24d is genuine I can say and you are right about the spot on the 09s the thing is people are stsrting to charge too much for LWC's and I think it ll be more and more expensive if I take too long to buy. The 14d I think it looks has been cleaned in the past and I onlu bougth because of the 30 days money back garanted so if its fake I ll return right after received !
I dont know what to do !? The only coin shops I have in a 50 miles range overgrade and over charge any coin 30 to 40% over the real value of any coin so ebay is my only hope as I didnt see any key dates for sell on ccf in a long long time !
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 Posted 11/02/2011  05:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think you got a good buy on the Lincolns, especially the '24D.
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 Posted 11/02/2011  08:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice group of coins for sure.
I agree the 14-d is cleaned, still a nice example though.
I'm looking to upgrade my 24-d, one of the few G4 coins in my collection.
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 Posted 11/02/2011  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rachums107 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice 1912-S! That one is beautiful!
I think you did good on all of them. The 14D looks fine to me but may have been cleaned awhile back. Nice pickups!
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 Posted 11/02/2011  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think you did very well on all of them except for the 14-D. I only looked at each auction briefly and didn't take the time to authenticate the coins, but assuming they are all real, you paid less than their value on all of them.....except for the 14-d.

I actually think the 09-S was the best buy out of the whole group.

Now the 14-D? First off, Macvanderstein, the seller, is/has been investigated by ebay and problems with him have been reported on CCF before. That 14-D is severely cleaned, and if you look at the surrounding area of the pic, the photo (which looks bad enough) might have been slightly doctored to try and make it look better. That coin would probably need a (times .4) deduction or worse on its grade value. I'm afraid that coin might not even crack $100, if so, barely.
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 Posted 11/02/2011  4:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ricardocody to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
About the overpriced its ok I understand but what about its originality ? I won the 14d this morning and didnt pay yet after what you told about the seller so what should I do ?! Pay or try to contact ebay saying that I doubt if the coin is real and try to ask ebay to cancell the transaction based on the seller history ?! Or should I pay and then after receive the coin check for it autenticy !? I dont know much about ebay but I know many of ccf member buy a lot on ebay so anyone there to advice me please ?!.
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 Posted 11/02/2011  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Send them in to ANACS on the October grading special. $10 per coin with a minimum of 10 coins.
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Good advice from acloco above I use ANACS a lot they will even grade your harshly cleaned coins, and they do just about every error and variety I need. Good guys.
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 Posted 11/02/2011  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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About the overpriced its ok I understand but what about its originality ? I won the 14d this morning and didnt pay yet after what you told about the seller so what should I do ?! Pay or try to contact ebay saying that I doubt if the coin is real and try to ask ebay to cancell the transaction based on the seller history ?! Or should I pay and then after receive the coin check for it autenticy !? I dont know much about ebay but I know many of ccf member buy a lot on ebay so anyone there to advice me please ?!.


I took a closer look and the 14-D looks authentic to me. I think that you may have paid too much for the coin, but it is now your obligation to pay for it, and you should do as such. Macvanderstein is/was under investigation not because of fake coins, but more because so much of what he sells has been cleaned, doctored, altered, etc...usually with no mention of that in his auctions.

For the record, I have personally bought an "original" coin from him once and had no trouble with the transaction.

If you get the coin, you will see it is bright orange and will look out of place in your collection. You can ask to return the coin and get your money back and I am guessing the seller would oblige....maybe a good consideration since you overpaid. If he refused you could report his item as "not as described" for not disclosing the cleaning and you would win and still get your money back.

I feel I must say that although what I just said is true and might be a good option for you, I personally wouldn't return it out of principle. There is some buyer obligation and I feel it was your responsibility (and error) in recognizing the extent of the cleaning from the photo and in paying a correct amount. I would find it morally wrong to return the coin in your situation.....but what I said above would work for you if you decided to go that route.
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 Posted 11/02/2011  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ricardocody to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The most important for me is receive a autentic coin !
About the price , no problem at all . Auction is a auction = sometimes we pay less and sometimes we pay more but we only bid if we want !
Im entire agree we with you about my responsibility as a bayer to honor the deal and I will! I feels better now after you explanation , thanks ! I dont worry much about the cleaning as its a key date .
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 Posted 11/02/2011  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I bought from MacVanderstein about a month ago. I got a 1913 T1 Buffalo and a 1943 Lincoln. The Buffalo seems fine and would probably grade XF-AU. It is very clean... but I'm not certain it was actually cleaned (I may post a picture in a new thread at some point).

The steel wheat was replated, but no mention of this was made in the auction. When I bought it I was unaware there was such a thing as a replated Lincoln. I found out about replated cents after shortly after I paid. I sent them a message basically saying "if it is replated can you please cancel the sale?". Even though they sent the coin three days later, they didn't answer my message until AFTER they sent it out. Since I only paid 99 cents for it and it was combined shipping with the Buffalo it wasn't worth returning for a refund since return shipping would cost more than the coin did. It is the principle of the thing that bothers me. I might do business with them again, but I will be extremely careful to check out the coin in detail first if I do.
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 Posted 11/02/2011  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ceaton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Risky buying key dates out of slabs...heck its even risky buying them slabbed anyways :)

Either way, definitely some cleaning done on the 14D and the D looks really odd to me, could be the poor pic however. The 24D looks a little beat up on the rim and an odd spot on the obverse. The 22D and 12S are decent, however I think you could have found some better examples for that cash.

Sorry if I'm Mr. Negative, I'm just extremely picky with my Lincolns =)
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 Posted 11/02/2011  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ricardocody to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ceaton you are not negative but realist ! I just cant take the holes anymore .. The place where I live dont give me much options , I know I could get a better 14d and maybe 09s per that cash but ebay sellers are there only for the profit so we only gonna get the coin if we overpay then there is nothing that could be done !

My next stop is gonna be a 31s , my dealer have a beauty pee $140 but it have a damage in the reverse so I ll take my time and try to find a good deal on ebay . What I hate on ebay is if they dont get what they want they dont let the coin go for less . I think the ebay seller manipulate the bidds with 2 different accounts but what I can do ?! I think if I was in the business I would do the same probably ...
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