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 Posted 12/15/2011  11:55 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ancientcoinguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Well upon seeing just how expensive real 1955 DDO LWC's are I decided to fill the hole in my album with a 1955 "Poor Man's Doubled Die".

Has anyone else taken this shortcut besides me? I hope so because I don't want to be a loner! The coin I got cost $15 shipped in an average grade. Thoughts?
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 Posted 12/15/2011  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep guilty here! twice in both sets, you could also say it's an error, as 1955-P are also not doubled, it's still a complete date - MM collection without the 1955 DDO and the 1922 plain (both technically errors).
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 Posted 12/15/2011  11:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsearcher83 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it works for you!

It does technically match the description of the slot
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 Posted 12/16/2011  04:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murrellington to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
luckily my lincoln dansco album doesn't have a spot for that. it will be enough to fill all the other keys.
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 Posted 12/16/2011  08:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add willy13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
if you have time, id be curious to see pictures.
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 Posted 12/16/2011  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add satxwd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No problem. Half of my collection can be described as poor mans. Just kidding. Your fine As long as you don't try to sell it off later as the real thing. No, I'm not implying anything. Have fun collecting.
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It does technically match the description of the slot

Actually it doesn't because it is NOT a doubled die. However there are something like eight different doubled die cents in 1955. Only one is expensive and all of those do match the description of the slot.
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As long as you enjoy the coin, that's the main thing. If we all had the money we'd all buy the key dates that we like. There's plenty of collectors without this coin, the 09S-VDB, 16-D merc etc. etc. Purchase what you can afford and enjoy it.
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luckily my lincoln dansco album doesn't have a spot for that.
Same here.

But if it makes you feel any better, I plan to "cheat" when filling my 1922-D "Plain" hole.
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 Posted 12/16/2011  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I actually like my 1922 weak d coin, you can barely see a dimple of a mintmark.
I have plenty of other coins I'd rather own for 5-6 hundred (or whatever the 22 plain costs).
As far as the 55 double die, forget about it.
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+1 on the "Poor mans DD is not an actual DD".... I'm glad my album doesn't have that hole...lol...

What album are you using? I actually am trying to decide which album to buy for my cent collection...its in a Folder as of now...

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 Posted 12/16/2011  1:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ancientcoinguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.ebay.com/itm/23066170009....m1439.l2649 This is the coin I bought to fill the hole.


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However there are something like eight different doubled die cents in 1955. Only one is expensive and all of those do match the description of the slot.

How much do the other types of doubled die '55's cost? And where can I get them? I only see the super expensive ones on ebay.


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What album are you using?

I am using one of the old Whitman bookshelf albums from the '60's. I use them instead of Danscos because they have more eye appeal.
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 Posted 12/16/2011  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ambro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will fill the long term empty holes (09 S VDB, 14 D etc...)in my albums with Mint errors--( Cuds etc...), or with a Nice BU Wheat cent flipped with the wheat stalks showing.
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$15 for a poor man's double? Somebody needs to do their home work...

Die Deterioration Doubling on 1955 cents is extremely common - so common that I have rolls and rolls of them, and I don't actively seek them. I could have sold you one for the cost of a stamp.

The 'doubling' that you see on that coin is deterioration of the die that struck the coin. Little bits of steel flake out of the die in areas where there is a great difference in relief near and perpendicular to the rim. The void left by the chipping is filled when the die strikes the planchet leaving a 'ghost impression' of the affected area on the coin in a raised fashion.

They are extremely common in some years where dies were frequently used well beyond their useful life expectancy for one reason or another. 1953 and 1955 Philadelphia minted cents tend to be the most common of the bunch.

At one time I sold 1955 'poor mans' double coins on ebay for a dollar with a three page explanation containing photos and a couple of freebie tips and tricks just to attempt to educate the masses - to no avail, there are still people spending north of $10 on these coins thinking they have a 'lesser' doubled die. Nothing could be more incorrect.

Doubled dies are actually a scarcity that happens during the die making process. The 'hub', or the positive impression that leaves the negative impression on the die (so it in turn makes positive impression on the coins) is set in a special machine for 'hubbing' the dies. Each die is set under the hub using 'keys' to align the die perfectly, and the design would be partially pressed into the die. After the die receives a hubbing it is heated to allow the design to transfer more easily from the hub. It is set in the hubbing press again for another hubbing, aligned with the same keys to ensure the die is exactly in the same position as before. This process continues up to 16 times to completely impress the die with the design on the hub.

Where a doubled die happens is when the die is set in the hubbing press and the keys don't do their job - either by having been broken, or having been purposefully filed off. The die is pressed by the hub off-kilter from a previous hubbing, which creates a doubled design on the die. This doubling transfers to every single coin the die creates.

So...the process of a doubled die and the Die Deterioration you have are completely different.
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 Posted 12/16/2011  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Let this be a lesson to the wise...ANYONE who reads this post can send me an SASE and I will send them a circulated example of a poor man's double. Use the lesson in this thread to learn that these are NOT worth ANY premium value.
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 Posted 12/16/2011  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
lol @ albums... make up your own dang collection.
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