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 Posted 03/03/2012  10:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
True, if the person already had plans for that coin money then it's already been decided.
By the way, gold and silver exchanges may or may not know what a coin is worth, but either way they are not in the numismatic business. They are going to melt the coins regardless - they are not in the business of sitting on a bunch of coins since they have to turn them over (they're using capital to buy them from you so they have to profit quickly).

Most people are ignorant of the properties of silver so they think that tarnish is dirt. Some people, however, do have some sense and when you tell them that cleaning a collectible is the same as damaging it they back off. Explain to them what "mint-state" means and the handling of coins.
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 Posted 03/03/2012  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add argentum to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Most people are ignorant of the properties of silver so they think that tarnish is dirt. Some people, however, do have some sense and when you tell them that cleaning a collectible is the same as damaging it they back off.


This kind of explanation might fly a bit better in these cases of ignorant n00bs.
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 Posted 03/04/2012  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ContraJame to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Makes me want to put together a little business card graphic. I'm picturing two coins side by side. The first coin is bright, shiny, and obviously cleaned. It's value is meh. The second coin is dark with lots of old natural patina. It's value is awesome. I can't decide on a tag line.
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 Posted 03/04/2012  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As Numismatists most just don't understand those that are not. Stop and think how difficult it is for people to clean all their Silver ware eating type items, but not Silver Coins? Why should you not clean an 200 year old table but spend hours washing and waxing a pile of metal and plastic called a car? Some spend hours cleaning and oiling a gun they just used but should never clean one that is a 100 years old? Look at that old Roman ruin. Why not tear it down and put in a decent shopping mall? And as to dirty coins? Why not clean them so they don't contaminate your pockets and/or purses? And that silly flashing light on my dashboard that says check engine? Now isn't that a dumb thing to put on cars?
I always remember when I was a kid and showed anyone my coins, the first thing many said was you should clean them. They all look so dirty. And as kids we all did that.
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 Posted 03/04/2012  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carmykle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's really hard to tell a novice they should never clean a coin. It's especially hard when they see certain collectors regularly dip coins to maintain them in a "blast white" condition.

In the early and up to the mid 20th century, hotels routinely cleaned their coins in "coin cleaning machines" so patrons were never given dirty money in change. I believe there was even an article in the "Numismatist" detailing the process and the last hotel to stop the process. It's taken fifty years for the circulated coins to regain a respectful patina again.

Looks like, with all the "nubes" out there cleaning coins, it'll be another 50 until they look good again.
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 Posted 03/04/2012  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just saw him today. Told him his Morgan is worth melt, dimes melt, nickels 5 cents.
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 Posted 03/04/2012  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add glenzy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't worry vermontensium, we know who the seller is. Next time I meet an encounter with this person at a coin show, I'll educate them on coin care!

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 Posted 03/04/2012  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a shame, but I didn't know any better a couple of years ago.

Although I knew that silver polish would be a bad idea simply because I have polished silver and seen what it does. But I would not have known not to wash coins or wipe them off. I had never looked at a coin with a magnifying glass.

My coins got a break simply because I just never got around to organizing all the stuff I'd been hoarding.

But I do know how maddening it is when you try to advise someone and they just ignore what you tell them -- even though they call asking for information....
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 Posted 03/05/2012  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add M0nks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
should have wrote please dont clean the coins in black magic marker across his forehead I guess he needed further instructions!
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 Posted 03/05/2012  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This guy, yeah.
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 Posted 03/05/2012  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverEye to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've seen enough Antiques Roadshow episodes to know that I never clean anything older than myself.
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 Posted 03/05/2012  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, this post needs a "feel-good" reply.
Mother of sister's best friend wanted help with a few coins.
And I said, "Sure, but do not clean them."
Sister added, "Listen to Matthew: DO NOT CLEAN THEM!"
Sister has been educated, for several years now, as to what we have. Although she has no interest in coins she IS interested in what I am doing with them.
Mom did as she was told.

Well, nothing special.
Kennedy halves I separated into silver and non-silver. Told her, "Take these to the bank."
Sold the silver.
Told her to give the few Indian Head cents to her grandsons.
Kept a few of the odd European coins from the turn of the century.

But OH!
There, in this unremarkable mix of ordinary coins, was an 1864 2 Cent piece in AT LEAST very fine if not higher condition!

And I shudder to think, after reading this post, what my reaction would have been if she had disregarded our advice and cleaned the coins.

She was happy with the money that I gave here.
And I just LOVE that 2 Cent piece.

Just WHY is our opinion sought if the questioner just goes ahead and does what he/she does?
Because ...

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 Posted 03/20/2012  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add texaskitty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So happy to have discovered this site before I decided to spruce up the silver before heading to the gold and silver exchange.

Two big mistakes avoided just by a little surfing.

Makes me a bit nervous to touch them now though, who knows what other rules there are?

But I am sure Mom and Dad didn't wear white gloves or anything.

Will be interesting once I get a list of what I have.

And now know more than I did 10 hours ago.
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 Posted 03/20/2012  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is good to see that you are taking your time and educating yourself before taking any chances.
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 Posted 03/20/2012  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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What part of DO NOT CLEAN didn't he get!
I still remember that guy who polished that IHC--despite a whole page of "don't do it!" A lot of learning comes the hard way.
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