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 Posted 07/08/2012  7:55 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ilzho to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm having a hard time finding an answer to this:

Does the San Fran mint produce proof only coins now? or circulated ones?

So, for example, if I find a modern day nickel or let's say a dollar coin with a S mint mark, do I assume it was a proof?

Any guidance is appreciated.
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 Posted 07/08/2012  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SaintRidley to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For cents, 1974 is the last year of business strike S-mints. Any later and it is definitely a proof coin.
For nickels 1970 was the last business strike year, 1971 beginning the move to proof only for the S coins.
1955 was the last business strike year for dimes from San Francisco. In 1968 they began making S-mint proofs.
Quarters from 1968 and later are all proof if they're S-mint, with a minor exception beginning this year. San Francisco is minting business strikes of this year's America the Beautiful Quarters, but they are not meant to be circulated.
1968 is also the beginning of proof only for half dollars.

For dollar coins, 1979-81 did proofs and business strikes. 1981 in general wasn't meant to circulate, though. Proof only with an S-mint mark did not begin with dollar coins until 2000.


All info based on what I could find consulting my copy of the RedBook.
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 Posted 07/08/2012  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larsdog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A copy of the RedBook answers many questions like this. You can get a 2010 or 2011 edition for very cheap. Well worth the investment!
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 Posted 07/08/2012  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add COINAHOLIC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The SF Mint does proofs... yes! No circulation coinage at present. They have been recently doing specialty coins, 2011 with a burnished Silver Eagle with S mint mark and an undisclosed number of bullion Silver Eagles without a mint mark. 2012 the proof and reverse proof two coin set, also ATB Quarters that are NIFC.
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 Posted 07/09/2012  06:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm having a hard time finding an answer to this:

Does the San Fran mint produce proof only coins now? or circulated ones?


Red Book and Google are your friends and answers are easy to find there.....
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 Posted 07/09/2012  2:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Red Book and Google are your friends and answers are easy to find there.....
If this is true, then why bother coming to CCF at all? Just asking.
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Why, to brag about and show off your collections, of course!
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 Posted 07/09/2012  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sure, but that is not the main reason for being here.

Everyone, look at the logo at the top left corner of the page.

What does it say underneath Coin Community Family?
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 Posted 07/09/2012  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
jbuck, I was just kidding, you know.

I do think people tend to take the easy way when they can (as in, asking a question instead of taking the extra steps to look it up for themselves). Human nature I suppose.

However, the question that started this thread I think is a good question worthy of a topic here -- it's a question without a straightforward answer. Unlike something such as "What years did the US Mint make steel Lincoln cents?"

I tell you what, I've learned a ton since becoming a member of CCF. And as it always works, the more you know, the more you realize how much more there is to learn. Don't be afraid to ask questions but it never hurts to do a little digging before you do so.

ilzho, good question and COINAHOLIC summed it up well, but here it is again: currently SF produces proofs and specialty coins only, but just to muddy things up a bit, this year they did release business-strike quarters that are not really intended for circulation (that is, they are only being sold to collectors in bags and rolls and are not being distributed to banks).

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 Posted 07/09/2012  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ilzho to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks.
I have a 2013 Red Book and while its handy and loaded with information it doesn't answer my original question. I try to find out the answer to most of the questions first before I post, but I am always learning and the internet is loaded with bogus answers, so I'm just trying to find the truth in this very exciting industry. CCF is loaded with great information and great people!
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 Posted 07/09/2012  7:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I gotta go with Celtic here Jbuck. A lot of folks do indeed take the easy way out. I think part of educating someone is to also point them towards the sources they can use on their own, like a simple Google search or to buy a Red Book.

Now, as ilzho pointed out, the internet is full of bunk, and a Red Book only goes so far. BUT, those two things along with other sources are key to learning IMO.

All of that said, it is NOT being said in a way to discourage questions. Obviously, if we did not enjoy answering questions, we would not be here.

All THAT aside, here is my related question. As I sit here and drool waiting for our either 2 or 4 (computer glitch, so we are not sure how many) rolls of S quarters to show up, do they intend this to be a one and done thing? I am sure they said somewhere in a news release or on the site, but I missed it and dont see anything rite off hand.
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 Posted 07/09/2012  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ilzho to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How would we all have hundreds of posts if we did not ask and answer questions?
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 Posted 07/10/2012  12:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
smokeriderdon, I like your points there. And from what I've heard so far, the S quarters have had a slow start. I assume we'll get through the 2012's and then have to wait and see what the mint decides to do.

ilzho, you're right, the Red Book wouldn't answer your original question completely. At least, not until the next edition (2014 I believe), which would have the 2012 S quarters in it. Even then you'd have to do a lot of digging and pretty much read about every current coin being minted and put all the facts together in order to arrive at the answer to your question. That is, unless there is a section that goes over the history and status of the various mints and it tells you specifically what they're doing now. I don't know off hand and my Red Book is in the other room (see, now I'm being the lazy one). :)

Either way CCF and Wikipedia are better resources for facts like that. I don't care what people say about Wikipedia - it's a darn fine resource and probably miles better than any hard-bound encyclopedia I ever used as a kid (No offense to "World Book" or "Encyclopedia Britanica" - I LOVED reading those and digging through them for research as a kid). And there are plenty of other trustworthy sites out there for your numismatic research needs. Electronic media has the benefit of being instantly update-able when new facts are available, whereas the Red Book and other periodic print publications are only accurate down to the week, month, year or whatever frequency they're published at.

And I do have my share of "hey, nice Franklin!" and "Welcome!" posts, but I try to liberally sprinkle in ones with substance. :)

Oh, uh, by the way, , ilzho! :)
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 Posted 07/10/2012  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larsdog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I have a 2013 Red Book and while its handy and loaded with information it doesn't answer my original question.


Actually, I think it does answer your original question. Look at 1970 Nickels. You can tell by looking at the numbers there was a business strike and a proof strike at the S mint. If you look at 1972 you can tell there was only a proof strike at the S mint. I found a 1972 S mint nickel in circulation. I know it is a proof because it HAS to be! If you find a 1970 S in circulation, chances are it's a business strike. If you find a 1972 S, it's a proof no matter how banged up it is. I don't have my Red Book with me, but if I remember correctly the proof quantities are in parenthesis and the business strike quantities aren't. At any rate, it's fairly easy to tell what is proof and what isn't in the Red Book. There also will be a price for PF only if it's only a proof, but there will be a price for MS if there was also a business strike.
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 Posted 07/10/2012  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Actually, I think it does answer your original question.




Facts are easy to find if you have ANY initiative....

Opinions and discoveries are what make these forums/threads valuable...

There is no opinion whether there were S mint proofs for any certain year....that is a fact obtainable VERY easily through MANY sources....
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 Posted 07/10/2012  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add southsav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Actually, I think it does answer your original question.


You're right on Lars!

Now I know why I find so many 68 S, 69 S and 70 S nickels while roll searching.

I like to try to conduct research while seeking answers to my questions that way I can draft my question appropriately and intelligently so I don't sound stupid (which I sometimes do). Sometimes I just don't think

So, thank you guys and girls, again,

for putting up with me
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