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These Aren't Morgans. What The Heck Are They?

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 Posted 11/26/2012  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Windchild to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In AZ... weird isn't it.

Who knows.. some of the 'fakes' may be real and mixed in with fakes

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 Posted 11/26/2012  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had that thought. Luckily Yalanda has a relative with a coin shop--if there are any real ones, he'll find them.
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 Posted 11/26/2012  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sjh241 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Generic silver rounds. I've seen them before, and I think you can still buy them. I think a dealer told me about a company in California. There were a few designs, Morgan and Peace styled obverse with those weird designs on the reverse. No dates. They caught my eye at a show, because I thought someone was peddling bad fakes. I remember those two exact reverses being some of the designs.
Have them tested for silver. Looks like you may have scored.
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11/26/2012 11:28 pm
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Nina, thought I'd post this link to a thread analyzing a fake, common date Morgan I deliberately bought from the Chinese place that was making them:

Morgan:
https://goccf.com/t/119357

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 Posted 11/27/2012  01:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Earle, if these are indeed all fakes, we need to be even further on our guard. I remember this thread that you linked to, and one of the FIRST things I looked at was the reeds--they looked real! (Granted, I had no loupe with me, but my close-vision eyesight is 20/15--I do very well even without one, to the point that I've scared some people with my hand stitching when sewing.) The concavity in the fake reeds in your thread was not present.
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 Posted 11/27/2012  07:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Being the optimist, I am crossing my fingers there are some silver rounds in there that will cover the cost of the gas.
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@Earl42, wonderful thread! This is exactly why, no matter how comfortable I get, I will continue to learn about my favorite series.
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nina, thanks for clearing that up, I was thinking it was just the coins shown and did not know you didn't even have pictures up at first. I guess I should have read the original post more times than once before I respond, but I know I wont my mind starts racing when I read one part and have to start typing my opinion before I read further
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 Posted 11/27/2012  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kellyk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Earl42. Those are amazing fakes! I often buy common date Morgans without closely examining them as I presumed common dates would not be faked. I'll be more careful. Thanks again.
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Bryan, it's okay. All three shown are from the "hoard" we received, although hardly representative (we've covered that some are obvious fakes--others, as I commented, are much more subtle, if they are in fact fake). I was in a rush to post and had to wait for my phone to finish downloading my pics.
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Was the weight of these pieces actually checked? Any legit silver round should weigh 1 Troy ounce (31.1 grams), or about 4.4 grams more than a Morgan dollar. A base metal fake of similar size will probably weigh 22 grams or so.
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 Posted 11/28/2012  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jaobler: not by me. Yalanda took them home with her, but at my work we have no scale.
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As has been said several times, those are generic silver rounds. So they are not "fake". They are simply one ounce of silver and carry just that value.


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Bryan, there were $31, ranging from Peace dollars back to flowing bust dollars.


Given that, it is obvious what you have here. Either someone stole a relatives collection, or they stole a strangers collection or they were just too ignorant to know the coins they got from grandpas will were worth a ton more than they thought.

I have been lucky enough to walk into 7-11 soon after someone did the exact same thing and snag similar hordes at face.
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Don, the problem is that a couple of the other coins (e.g. the "1900 Walking Liberty Dollar" and the 1804 flowing hair bust) are clearly counterfeit. So, while they may not all be counterfeit, the odds that even most of them are real seem . . . not likely.
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Counterfeits in a collection. Someone stealing them certainly would not know. There are plenty of collectors out there with unknown or even known counterfeits in their collections. I have absolutely no misgivings saying that the majority may well be just fine. But then, any opinion I or anyone else has is bunk as we can't see the other coins.
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