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Counterfeit Detection: 1932 D Washington Quarter Chinese Replica Compared To Real

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Back when ebay allowed Big Tree - the largest Chinese replica coin maker to sell on ebay I bought a fake 1932D and a fake 1932S Washington quarter to become educated. I want to share it with the CCF Family.

Please remember the following when looking at the pics:
1.
These were lit with sunlight coming in the window - I should have reflected it back on itself to eliminate the shadow under Washington's effigy.
2. The graininess on the surface of the fake is very evident only b/c of the angle of the lighting. In hand, this quarter looks good - until magnified and the details are studied.
3. The pics of the real one and the fake one were not taken at the same time of day (not even the same day), so shadows are different.

I show only the fake 1932D pics b/c the fake 1932S is so similar in lack of quality that once you see the problems with the fake D, you will also be able to see the exact same problems with the S


Here is the OBV of the fake:
Counterfeit-Detection:-1932-D-Washington-Quarter-Chinese-Replica-Compared-To-Real
1. Note where the rim is doubled, as pointed out.
2. Note the rim at 7:00 is very weak and grainy.

Here is the REV of the fake:
Counterfeit-Detection:-1932-D-Washington-Quarter-Chinese-Replica-Compared-To-Real
1. Note again the doubling on the rim - and that it occurs in the same place as that of the OBV (remembering US coins are are oriented withe the OBV facing upward when the REV is facing downward)
2. Note the poor quality & separation of the entire circumference of the rim.

Here is the fake OBV side by side with a legit OBV:
Please click on it to see the larger version to view the details better.
Counterfeit-Detection:-1932-D-Washington-Quarter-Chinese-Replica-Compared-To-Real
1. Note the real one is sized a bit smaller (my fault with the pics), but in real life, when I overlaid one on the other, the effigy is the same size.
2. I do not show an overlay picture b/c the fake is, by nature, too easy to see as being fake under magnification.

Here is a pic of the REV of the fake and a legit:


Counterfeit-Detection:-1932-D-Washington-Quarter-Chinese-Replica-Compared-To-Real

Again, sloppy rims and grainy texture give this one away. Remember though, in hand these fakes look pretty good without magnification. Just carry a loupe with you to shows.

BTW - these fakes are not magnetic.

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12/13/2012 12:57 pm
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I am going to have to take a look at my Chinese fake 32-D (or S) for comparison and may just insert those images as well. Your (cast?) fake is very obvious!

Thanks for the side by side comparison!
Edited by oih82w8
12/13/2012 1:05 pm
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Eagle on the left looks in dire need of going on a diet!
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Earle42 What material is the Fake one made out of? I found a 1940 Quater that I know is fake too, It was not magnetic either so I was wondering what it was made out of. He is a link of the thread from the one I found.

https://goccf.com/t/125899
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Nicely done, Earle42.


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Again, sloppy rims and grainy texture give this one away. Remember though, in hand these fakes look pretty good without magnification. Just carry a loupe with you to shows.


This is the most important takeaway here. The problems are obvious in the pictures, but don't forget that digital images pick up details you will never see without magnification of your own.
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Here's a 1932-D that was in a collection I bought a while ago. This collection was assembled between the late 50's and early 60's. I assumed environmental damage & sent it to Anacs, who sent it back as a cast copy. In retrospect I should have weighed it. Although I don't remember the exact number it was over a gram light.

I posted this coin before I sent it off & again after it came back. I don't have the links on hand but it's interesting to see the opinions before & after the coin went to Anacs. My pictures are not the best. In hand the coin is much lighter in color. For reference the background is white. The pics of the 32-S were taken at the same time as the D. The 32-S is real.

FAKE 1932-D
Counterfeit-Detection:-1932-D-Washington-Quarter-Chinese-Replica-Compared-To-Real Counterfeit-Detection:-1932-D-Washington-Quarter-Chinese-Replica-Compared-To-Real

REAL 1932-S
Counterfeit-Detection:-1932-D-Washington-Quarter-Chinese-Replica-Compared-To-Real Counterfeit-Detection:-1932-D-Washington-Quarter-Chinese-Replica-Compared-To-Real
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12/13/2012 4:19 pm
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@LMetts
I am not sure what this one is made of. I looked at your link. I would think that one an older counterfeit made when a quarter was actually worth something. I don't yet have a scale to weigh them with but they feel good in hand.

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I am going to have to take a look at my Chinese fake 32-D (or S) for comparison and may just insert those images as well. Your (cast?) fake is very obvious!

Thanks for the side by side comparison!


You are welcome and please do post pics. The more fakes we can see, the better

I know the grainy look implies it was cast, but I also know from quite a few emails with Big Tree that they used dies to press their coins. Not knowing much about how it is done, I have to wonder if they somehow make their dies from a cast? I have no idea.

@trdhrdr
I will not presume to know as much as a TPG, but I wonder how your quarters look under higher magnification? Yours look good in the pics, but I also think a pic of mine with just ambient light would look pretty good as they seem normal in hand w/ no magnification.

How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash?
Download and read: Grading the graders
Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halves
https://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2
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Looks like spark erosion dies and the machine operator didn't have his settings quite right. also, the reverse looks like it came from a different date coin wit the larger mintmark.

Hey, who has the CNA Wolfhound for their avatar?

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I took my pics with the macro setting from about 4" & then cropped the image. That gives a pretty good indication of what the coin looks like under 10x or more.
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I just got one of these from ebay $105 Plus shipping. I knew it was FAKE so I looked it up and found this site, and Joined. It was in a Plastic sealed Holder. Right down to the ding in Liberty. Same grainy surfaces. It would fool a self delusionist. Sent Back for refund. Beware it Sellers, have a LOT of stuff from China!
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Thanks for posting this photographic comparison, Earl. Well done! This will serve the community well.
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yesterday I was on a chinese site ali something.
this site , my sister in law buys shoes and clothes
i took a look at this site and just typed in coins.
it pulled up many U.S. coins at $1.00 to $2.00 each
also had ampsomething gold and silver slabs.
also noticed that alot of U.S.A. players bought from them.
got me to thinking, man I need to be more careful now buying U.S. coins.
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