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Sweden
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A recent purchase, from the dealer coinman_2000 (20k+ feedbacks, 99.9% pos) I'm a bit confused regarding its authenticity. It's 0.9grams underweight, and I haven't seen rims that thick on any other 56-O I looked at online. At least on the reverse, the obv looks more "normal" It does have that silver ring to it, but still...My gut haven't really decided yet. I'm gonna try to feed it a beer or so and see if it makes up its mind... But what do YOU think; real or not?   Edited by epikur
03/01/2013 11:22 am
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Pillar of the Community
Israel
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Looks alright to me. (so it's gotta be fake  ). |
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Pillar of the Community
 Sweden
729 Posts |
the seller guarantees its authenticity, but almost a gram off on a coin that's not that worn? An almost 10% loss strikes me odd.
But I guess I'm just paranoid
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Are you sure your scale is calibrated correctly? It does looked cleaned. I don't see anything that jumps out at me as not authentic but I am not an expert on these - I just admire them from afar. EDIT: IMHO look up the Weight Tolerances for this to get a better idea of what is acceptable. Edited by CoinsKelly
03/01/2013 12:48 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Looks good to me, no red flags.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1511 Posts |
Looks good to me too... Nothing stands out as counterfeit. I'm no expert in the least with this series, but I'm starting to get more into all seated's. In fact it looks great! Beautiful toning! I really like that one!
I'd definitely check the tolerances and your scale as mentioned. Possible use someone else's scale to double check...?
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Pillar of the Community
Sweden
729 Posts |
I bought this together with another, more worn half, and that one wheighed spot on. So my scale is ok
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The tolerance for a half of that era is between 12.24 and 12.64 grams. A whole gram missing with so little wear (except for the two stars by Liberty's head - that's odd) and exceedingly strong rims is a red flag. That coupled with how thick the reverse text is in the legends alongside a thin O is another red flag (one would think Die Deterioration or wear would be even). This one's tough to judge from pictures, but my feeling is that there's something certainly "off" about it. |
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Sweden
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Steve, you hit the nail on the head about my concerns. Something is just "off"
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The tolerance for a half of that era is between 12.24 and 12.64 grams. Tolerances were a lot tighter than that, 12.441 grams +/- .097 or 12.34 to 12.54 grams. I admit that I don't see anything wrong with the coin, but a .9 gram low weight is a big red flag. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I am going to mirror Steve and Conder's post, the coin doesn't look like something that I would suspect as co8unterfeit but with the weight difference it definitely is a cause for concern in the condition the coin is in. There should be no reason for that much of a weight loss on that coin even with the tolerances so I would be very suspicious about it. I believe it would have fooled me if I didn't know it was under weight though as I probably wouldn't have even questioned its authenticity just by looking at the coin
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Other than the low weight, I don't seen any other red flags. 0.9g underweight would be about 7.23% which would only be consistent if this coin is a slick or near one or holed. The coin looks cleaned but I can't see how a cleaning would be able to remove that much weight.
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03/02/2013 10:33 am
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United States
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Tolerances were a lot tighter than that, 12.441 grams +/- .097 or 12.34 to 12.54 grams. You're correct Conder. I had the right era base weight in my head, but the wrong era margin of error. :-) In either case, a whole gram missing with that level of detail is a real chin scratcher. Edited by SteveCaruso
03/01/2013 6:41 pm
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United States
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It's very interesting. The obverse sure looks OK but the reverse looks to puffy in the lower half. The devices appear thicker and wider yet there is more detail than high-grade similar coins when I looked at comp pics on PCGS Coin Facts. Here's one of the PCGS coins (MS64, coin#6288) on top with epikur's on bottom. In addition to the noticeably thicker 'F DOL', the arrow fletching looks off, like details were re-engraved. The leaf veining and basically the entire lower third of the coin looks odd when compared to the PCGS coin. The left wing has a slightly different relationship to the arrows and appears somewhat wider in epikur's coin. I know nothing about varieties for this series though. Could these differences represent a type of doubling on epikur's coin?  |
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Pillar of the Community
Sweden
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I'll try to get some better pics tomorrow. Right now I'm not too concentrated to help out.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I would like to raise concerns about the weird line on the "O" in HALF DOL. and also the thickening of LF in the same place. I know nothing of this series, but with an untrained eye, that is what jumps out at me.
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