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I have a question about something I mentioned in a different topic. If Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush, who isn't really in the greatest of health, both die in time to get their own Presidentual Dollar Coin, do you think that Congress would have to pass legislation to allow the Presidential dollar Coin Act to go into 2017 for a George H.W. Bush Presidential dollar Coin, seeing as the Presidential dollar Coin Program is slated by law, to end in 2016? Or do you even think they might squeeze in the Bush coin into 2016? But extending the program one more year, even for just one coin would be interesting, not that I am wishing death on anyone. Thoughts, anyone?
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Bedrock of the Community
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I always forget what the actual law says if they could skip any or not. I do hope if Carter and Bush are still around they include Regan before ending the series. I dont wish death on anyone either and wish Bush all the best but its not looking too good for him to still be around then, Carter seems to be in pretty good health for his age though so there is a decent chance they would have to skip him. Feels weird typing that to be honest.
My hope is that if they dont extend it a year to include whats left they just do a massive release in 2016 for every eligible coin they have left in the series
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The legislation does not specify 2016 as the end date! The 2016 end is inferred by the program's parameters. If you are reading Wikipedia, it states ( emphasis mine)... Quote: The act specifies that for a president to be honored, the former president must have been deceased for at least two years before issue. It will take about ten years to honor all currently eligible presidents. The series is therefore scheduled to end in 2016 after honoring Ronald Reagan, unless Jimmy Carter, or one of Reagan's successors, dies by 2014. Once the program has terminated, producing coins for those presidents not honored would require another Act of Congress. Read the legislation here... http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/5112#n
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I honestly don't think Bush 42 will last that long. He's . . . what, in his mid-eighties? You don't bounce back from surgery, much less multiple surgeries, at that age the way you do when you're 20 or even 40. There's also this: if you look at pictures of Barbara Bush from a year before his health really took a landslide and compare them with a picture of her from a few months ago, she aged from "elderly" to "ancient" in the space of only about a year and a half. That speaks volumes about how much care he's requiring--they might be able to afford the best of care, but every happy marriage I've ever seen both partners took very seriously "in sickness and in health."
You can see the same effect in Hillary's face this past year, too--she really changed right around the time Bill had to go in for surgery, and the change was drastic (I remember seeing her on C-SPAN and not immediately recognizing her, and she's been a big name in politics since before I was old enough to vote). So it's not just a matter of "well, yeah, but Barbara's the same age as her husband"--the effect is noticeable in a woman a generation younger than her whose husband held the same job and thus receives the same level of care.
It's very strange to me to think that the man who was President the year I was born may die soon. The Presidents I've known have always been young.
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That would be Bush 41, Nina. his son is Bush 43. the 42nd presidency belongs to Clinton.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Nina, are Bill and Hillary actually together in anything other than semantics? I honestly do not know, but was under the impression they pretty much kept to their own lives? Quote: It's very strange to me to think that the man who was President the year I was born may die soon. The Presidents I've known have always been young. Although I was VERY young - just over one year old. The look of horror on my mother's face is the only thing I can imagine that could have so deeply marked a certain memory I have so that I could recall it. One year olds are not known for keeping memories well. My memory is one of my mother staring in horror at the black and white TV set; her hands were to her mouth and she was crying. I distinctly remember her looking at me and saying the reason she was crying was because a very important man had just been killed. This was 9/2//1963. The impact of the memory and what it meant obviously came to me after I had grown enough to understand what this had been all about. But this was the first president who had passed while I was alive. Even writing about it now some of the initial feelings of being scared at my mother's horror, and the entire situation, is still associated with this memory. It seems weird to me to say that, but its true. edited for syntax
Edited by Earle42 03/17/2013 5:06 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I Carter survives past mid 2014 the series will end with Ford. The legislation is unclear as to whether or not you can skip over an ineligible president but the Mint apparently is taking the position that you can't. Their issuing timeline does not include Reagan, it ends with Ford. Before Ford died it ended with Nixon
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@argentum: whoops, that's right. I should know that, too, I had one of those bumper stickers that said "Obama44" on my bike. (can I just blame being bad with numbers? Math I can kinda do but remembering numbers is for different minds from mine.)
@earle: I would say the answer is decidedly "yes." They're both incredibly busy people and I think they lived together/apart during her tenure as Secretary of State (i.e. he lived at the Clinton family home and when she wasn't needed in Washington she was there too, but the key words in that sentence are "when she wasn't needed" so, you know, maybe two months in a year if she was lucky), but as far as I know they've fixed things up. A lot of politicians (a lot of PEOPLE, for that matter) could learn from them.
My mom told me her reaction to Kennedy's death (pssst--not to correct the history teacher, but that should be 11/22, not 9/22) was anger because some strange man was laying in a box with flags where her Saturday morning cartoons were supposed to be. She was four. It's a recollection that's at once both funny and sad, and also very poignant to me--on a certain day in 2001 my mom sent me into her room to watch cartoons and get me away from the news footage, and as I watched the closing credits for a show ending just as I turned it on they announced "We're switching from our regular programming today . . . . " You can guess what they switched to.
Now here is an interesting question. The Mint is currently taking this position on unclear legislation, but we know getting rid of the dollar bill has come up as a possibility yet again this year. What is the possibility/probability that Obama will order legislation or pass an executive order to skip Carter, should the need arise? Love him or hate him, Reagan was one of those "defining" presidents (I've met kids who don't know who Bush I is but know who Ronald Reagan is). I can see some backlash if he wasn't included.
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Bedrock of the Community
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My guess would be honoring Regan isn't at the top of Obamas list, though if the mint does keep that position I cant imagine someone wouldnt introduce such a bill. Weather or not is passes is a different story but doesn't seem like something to draw a line in the sand on.
Thats really sad by the way they didnt know who Bush is. EVERYONE over the age of 10 or 12 should at least know from Carter on, I mean really its 6 names includes Carter and really only 5 names with Bush appearing twice.
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Bedrock of the Community
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@Nina SNIP (pssst--not to correct the history teacher, but that should be 11/22, not 9/22) SNIP  (I'll explain why the laugh!) I APPRECIATE the correction - believe me. I am just wondering how it happened? You see, my b-day is 11/9. And my mother's b-day is 9/22. I always was in the habit of looking for memory helps - and these two b-days make it pretty easy to remember JFK's tragic day. When I go to recall the date I just use the first and last numbers of the "sequence" ... 11/22. Maybe I had a dyslexic moment in my mind when I went to type?  And if to make matters worse, I realized before hitting "post new reply," that I had made the SAME mistake again in that last paragraph!  Oh well. @baseball - you sure are correct about 10-12 year old kids SHOULD know at least back to Jimmy Carter. But its all part of the dumbing down system. I know when I was in school we had to memorize a list - in order - of the presidents. No - it did not stick with us much past the test, and I have never had someone walk up to me in the mall and ask me who the 30th president was, but the exposure and study DID lead to a better familiarity and honest connection to our heritage. Nowadays it seems more important to throw a kid out of school b/c he chews his pop-tart into the shape of a pistol, or to tell a student cannot display a US flag on his bike, than to worry about whether or not he has actual facts of what made out country great.
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It is that time again, where I need to remind everyone that this topic is drifting that way, when it needs to go this way.   (There is relevant stuff in there, just a lot of fluff building around it.  )
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Bedrock of the Community
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The Republicans have been trying to get Reagan on coin since he died. If Carter doesn't die in time to become eligible you can bet they will put through a bill to allow him to be skipped. And you can bet the Democrats will oppose it.
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