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Anyone Ever Had A Coin Dealer Take Advantage Of You.

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 Posted 05/12/2007  10:44 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Morganator to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was just wondering if you have ever been to a coin show where a dealer has taken advantake of you because they figure out you
really don't know about the coin you are asking about.
Of course this happened to me with a nice "so-called dollar".
I think I paid about $50 too much, but I guess that's how you learn.
Impulse buying can be brutal.
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 Posted 05/12/2007  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
YES! I got totally screwed by a guy named Larry from Antiques & Coins from Philadelphia in the early 1990's. He sold me harshly cleaned material for full XF/AU++ pricing. I was very naive and didn't know cleaned from original at the time. I took his word at face value. I was aggressively going after a type set. Yes, I was an idiot and I paid for it.
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 Posted 05/12/2007  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morganator to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's sad that these folks are out there. It's almost as though they are waiting to dump their lousy coins on the first sucker that comes along that doesn't seem to know much. I feel like in my case it was not a total loss as I got a beautiful "so-called dollar", I just think I paid way too much for it.
Please don't get me wrong if you are an honest dealer. It takes all kinds and I guess it takes years sometimes to judge character and get it right.
Bummer on the coin.

Here's my so called dollar.

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 Posted 05/12/2007  11:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thingee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It bugs the HECK out of me whenever I see a dealer flip a customer's coin on the glass counter causing likely surface damege to the coin, ESPECIALLY after he's just APPRAISED the coin. I've seen him do this repeatedly to several customers!! Makes me wanna HOLLER!!
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 Posted 05/13/2007  02:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add garylcsr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
if you want to see some very good con guy's go to ebay and out of the first 10 sellers you look at maybe 1 will be a good honest guy. if you buy from ebay know the guy your dealing with or at least know the coin your looking at.JMHO
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 Posted 05/13/2007  06:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While there are fraudulent dealers on ebay, there are plenty of dishonest dealers with brick-and-mortar shops or at the coin shows. Numismatics is like everything else - there are honest and dishonest people in it and we all need to educate ourselves. ebay has more of a bad reputation because it's more visible to more people. I'm glad to see that there is acknowledgement that ebay is not alone when it comes to fraud. (Though it's sad that it's out there at all. )
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 Posted 05/13/2007  07:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I once decided to test out how much a dealer would pay for a palladium coin that I had. 1/4 oz of palladium. At that time, bullion value was probably about 200USD and he offered just 10USD. Ya right, what can I do with 10 dollars. If I ever sell it on the net, it's at least 200USD. I wouldn't want to imagine how much he takes advantage of older people that he talks with.
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 Posted 05/13/2007  10:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errorcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gary, it's the other way around, 9 honest sellers on ebay for every bad one.

Your numbers are wrong. ebay is a very safe and IMO the best place to buy coins, if you know what you are buying and whom you are buying it from (feedback), and how to bid on it.

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I had to liquidate my collection in the late 60's; guess I had "desperate" written all over me as every dealer I went to offered me way less than what I knew would provide a decent profit to the dealer.

I particulary resent dealers who start belittling your coins to establish a lower value...I remember my proof Liberty Head nickels being called "well struck BU's" and so on and so on....(accompanied with groans from the dealer as he finds a bag scratch on a Morgan BU.

As for ebay, I have been happy with every purchase except one but am getting to where I would rather buy the coin across the counter so I can see it in person, and that from a dealer I trust.
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Errorcoins is correct. There are a lot more honest sellers than scammers there. The problem is that, for the most part, only the bad transactions get discussed.
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 Posted 05/13/2007  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tykimeister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, I think there are many, many scammers on ebay. I just know how to buy from the right guys. Well, usually.
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I think the times when I have overpaid for a coin it was because I wasn't care or didn't negotiate the price I wanted.
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Many times, but usually it's my own fault. Do not pay more than cull price for culls, no matter how good the date! And do not buy shiny coins, unless they are supposed to be shiny!

The worst I can remember was a dealer in walkers on ebay, whose listings I have not seen lately. His prices were fair for the coin grade, only his grades were sometimes 2 steps higher than they should have been. I didn't ever buy anything from him, but did send an e-mail complaining in hopes of some price consideration (some of the coins looked pretty good). His response was that grading standards for walkers had been considerably relaxed over the past few years, and that his grading was fair. Maybe all other dealers except for him were senile, and were giving away VF's at VG prices? I don't think so.
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 Posted 05/13/2007  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Knock on wood, I have not had a problem with any e-bay seller. I tend to say away from any sellers from China, just too many fakes coming out of there.

Years ago I had two gold German 20 Mark coins that I wanted to sell, so being 12 years old and trusting everyone I went to my local coin shop. The owner picked up the coins glanced at them and said. "these are fake, I'll give you $10 each" I believed him and lost two nice gold coins for $20. Only to find out later they were not fake and worth much more. That was over 40 years ago and I never forgot that.

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 Posted 05/19/2007  02:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morganator to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
echizento,
I grew up in a relatively small town in the Bay Area. We used to have a pool hall where the kids would hang out after school and play pinball. The quarters would get burnt up out of our pockets pretty fast. The owner collected coins and had a
glass case with coins he was selling at the time.
He discouraged me from collecting when I was a kid because I went to sell some coins to him and he way low-balled me. I figured it was just natural to do this. What did I know? I was just a kid. My brother had inherited a very large set of ancient romans worth considerable $ from my grandfather. I found them one day in the bottom of a file drawer and showed them to an idiot neighbor kid who was around 7 and was an on and off friend of my sisters. Well, like the other post on here, they disappeared and my brother was not too happy I had shown them to this kid named Eric. My suspicisions are that the pool hall dealer gave Eric a couple of bucks for them and he blew it on pinball. I still think he ended up with them, but there was never any proof as to where they ended up. Bummer.
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 Posted 05/25/2007  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basicbob101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When I was a kid (back around 1955 or so) I used to go look at the coins on display at the People's Street Coin Shop in Corpus Christi, Texas. It was run by a very elderly gentleman who was always kind and courteuos to me. He bought some coins from me I got in change, one I remember in particular was a 1964 Indian cent, he gave me $5 for it, must have been the "L" variety. That may have been a fair price for that time, at least I thought it was at the time, he could have offered me much less since I didn't know anything about the "L"...but I always admired him for the way he treated his customers and tried to impart a little of his knowledge on to them, wish all dealers were the same.
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