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TV Hype About "Early Release", "Black Label" Etc

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Been watching the ASE coins hyped on TV, seems like they have turned from selling the coin to hyping the slab. I can't even call to mind all the differt labels available. I have read previously on this site to buy the coin, not the slab. I couldn't agree more. I think the special slabs are going to be overpriced for awhile and not worth consideration. anyone feel the same or do I "just not get it".
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 Posted 05/05/2013  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Merc Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well if it is a case of you "not getting it", you can add me to that club.
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I hope I don't make any enemies b/c to me the fun of the hobby is what a persons' personal preferences are. So if someone likes to collect different color labels - all the more power to them. I am sure they make some nice eye candy when put together.

As I see the picture (note this is opinion) the TPGs can get tons of identical ASEs, but can only sell so many of them. So their marketing departments came up with a sales trick: since they can't change the actual coin to make a marketing ploy, they changed what they had control of... the label. They knew they could create a market out of thin air (well... and ink).

As far as investment potential, I personally do not think these will ever keep their value b/c as time goes on, more and more "ideas" of labels come out. So future generations might become overwhelmed with different ways of paying for the exact same same coin. The outlay of cash it would take them to get one of everything in the series - while actually only paying for different colored ink - may just sound a future death knell for extra value being assigned to different labels. If the labels themselves were made of substances with inherent value, then the story might be different.


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 Posted 05/05/2013  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jlafever to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've read the coins that get the "Early Release" label are actually simply ones that are shipped to the TPG's first (by the buyer) and have nothing to do with the timing as it relates to the mint or production. The way I understand it, coin 'A' may be minted before coin 'B' yet 'B' could be labeled "Early Release" while 'A' receives a standard slab. I also see premium priced slabs signed by the Mint Director etc. That wouldn't get my money but whatever floats your boat!

Also, after seeing the prices, I would never buy from a TV shopping channel.
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 Posted 05/05/2013  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Merc Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree Earle42, I don't mean to knock what anyone enjoys collecting. After all, isn't that why we do what we do. I am sure I collect plenty of things that others wouldn't.
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How many of you have blue cars? How many have neighbors that have the exact same car in red. Is your car better ? Does it run better, last longer ? No!

Will people go from dealer to dealer looking at the exact same car , but keep looking until they find the color they want.Do some colors sell better or faster or for better resale than others ?

Exact same case with TPG labels.

Since the TPG's got sued years back, " first strike/early release " now mean, the coins have to be submitted within thirty days of first release or come from a sealed monster box with a date stamp of thirty days or sooner from the coins release date
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Actually, the Mint *should* give them a cease and desist.

"First Strike" (along with "Last Strike") is a technical term used in Westpoint for samples in their vaults. They do *not* release these to the public. :-)

But yeah, the blue Kool Aid is just as nutritious as the red Kool Aid, and where I won't ding you too hard if you like Kool Aid... you won't see *me* drinking that stuff. :-)
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I don't think anyone was attacking people that choose the TPG labels. The OP was just asking a question. I do think your example is a bit lacking though. It would be like buying the exact same make, model, year, and color car with identical features as your neighbor and paying 10% more for it. That still doesn't make me a better or worse person than him/her, just means I have more money left over after buying the same thing.
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So if someone likes to collect different color labels - all the more power to them. I am sure they make some nice eye candy when put together.


Agreed.

I personally dont care about the first strike part of it but do like some of the labels a lot so will pay a tad more if I have too.

For example the State Quarters and the flag labels. I love the flag labels for them and think they add a very nice aspect to the presentation so Ill only get those for my set, but if all it said was first strike on a regular label I couldnt care less
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"Actually, the Mint *should* give them a cease and desist.

"First Strike" (along with "Last Strike") is a technical term used in Westpoint for samples in their vaults. They do *not* release these to the public. :-)

But yeah, the blue Kool Aid is just as nutritious as the red Kool Aid, and where I won't ding you too hard if you like Kool Aid... you won't see *me* drinking that stuff. :-)"



- the Mint likes the promotion of 1st strike- it sells more coins for them.
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This is what a hobby is... what we personally like.

If a person values something more than the money they spend for it... then it is their money to spend.


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For example the State Quarters and the flag labels. I love the flag labels for them and think they add a very nice aspect to the presentation so Ill only get those for my set, but if all it said was first strike on a regular label I couldn't care less


Eye candy is a good thing for those who want it. I am guilty of putting hard earned cash into buying glass insulators. I have had people call me nuts for giving good money for a hunk of glass. They have an incredible history behind them, but unlike coins, they have no inherent value in their composition.

I am sadly aware that eventually I may end up with a total loss in the money I put out for them. But each morning I see the sun rising behind an incredible "stained glass" window of historic gems, I am not looking to calculate the dollar values. And the amazement of the spectacle, joined with the thought of the history behind them, is worth a lot more to me than dollar value.

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I am no fan of the FS/ER labels - I fail to see how that label adds any value for me. The multi-colored etc... well knock yourself out if that is what your looking for.
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As I see the picture (note this is opinion) the TPGs can get tons of identical ASEs, but can only sell so many of them.

The TPG's do not sell coins.

Most of the multiple labels came from outside submitters wanting ways of selling multiple specimens of the same coin. Convince people a different label means it is a different kind of coin or that there is something "special" about this one so you should buy this one too. And once the special label idea caught on, it seems like every bulk submitter wants his own special label.
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If a person values something more than the money they spend for it... then it is their money to spend.


Absolutely, thats what disposable income is for. Those glass pieces may not have value but if they make you happy thats whats important. If your smart with your money and have some extra theres nothing wrong with using it for things that bring joy, after all you cant take it with you
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@Conder Thanks for that clarification. Its true they do not sell the coins. But by offering different labels, they make more money off of those who send in their coins to obtain the variety of offered labels.

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Those glass pieces may not have value b

Well, at present they do

But if the hobby disappears (not about to at present), of course the market value would disappear. The highest price paid for an insulator (in the entire hobby) is at least over the 50K mark. But even if I had that kind of money I do not believe I would put it into a piece of glass.
How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash?
Download and read: Grading the graders
Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halves
https://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2
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Ok,,, so wait.. do I have this right..

On ebay I have seen sealed boxes of say, a 1 oz proof gold eagle, as they were shipped from the mint. They go for a good premium on ebay,,,

However, they are being sold still in the packed box from the mint because technically, as long as there is proof that the box/order was placed within 30 days of the release date of that given coin and it hasn't been opened, it still can qualify to be sent to get graded or as a first strike..

and to make sure "First Strike" only means that the coin was purchased within the first 30 days of the Mints release date for that specific coin..

Correct me if I am wrong!
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