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Roosevelt Dime, Record Design?

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The Roosevelt dime is now in it's 68th year with no change in design. Is this a record, has any US coin gone this long with the same obverse/reverse? I would be hard pressed to find any other modern coin that has gone this long. Even the Canadian, British and other Commonwealth nations' coins get updated portraits every 10 years or so...

I know the Lincoln Cent is now in year 105 for the obverse, but the Wheat and Memorial reverses went only 50 years each.

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As far as I know it is the longest running U.S. design. Time to go back to the classics on all our coinage.
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Sounds like a plan to me!
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He was a much loved president, might go for a lot longer.
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No record though it's not so far from a record for the longest string with no changes; the clads are effectively unchanged for 48 years now.
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True. Wasn't around to know, but I certainly do read about how much people loved him as a person.
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What about the Jeffs, do they not count thanks to the war nickels/commemoratives?

Our current Canadian designs date back to the ascension of King George VI in 1937, replacing the wreaths used since the time of Victoria (first issued in 1858). The cent and nickel are a bit weird, as they were both changed much later than America - we had a tiny silver " Half Dime" until 1921, and the cent was only downsized in 1920. All of our denominations have suffered commemoratives or design changes since then, with a different animal featured on every coin in our centennial (1967) and a bajillion commemorative quarters. We also had a 2001 Year of Volunteers dime, a 2005 60th Anniversary of V-E Day nickel, and a 2002 Golden Jubilee half featuring a special portrait of the Queen. However, all of these are indeed disqualified as "unchanged designs" thanks to the frequent change in monarchs...
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I would be all for a change from the Roosevelt dime to something else. Nothing against the design but you can certainly have too much of a good thing.
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When I was at the coin forum the day before the White Mountain quarter release ceremony in February, I mentioned to acting mint director Richard Peterson that the mint should issue a special 2015 dime along with the congressionally approved march of dimes commemorative dollars to be issued that year. He said he needed congressional permission to change the design of a coin, but I said I don't think he did if the design is more than 25 years old. I think a staffer off to the side made a note of it. Hopefully they check up on it and we get a new dime in 2015, if only for a one year commemorative.

I looked it up just now, and the law in question is 31 USC ยง 5112 - Denominations, Specifications, and Design of Coins, paragraph (d)(2).

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The Secretary may change the design or die of a coin only once within 25 years of the first adoption of the design, model, hub, or die for that coin.

The way I interpret this is it can only be changed once in the first 25 years, but after that... it can be changed as many times as the Secretary of the Treasury wants to change it.
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I want new better dimes. I hate buying the proof dimes because not much of a great look they have.
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I calculated this recently (well, about a year ago) for another reason (don't remember which one).
The longest continuous US coin design is the Liberty Head quarter eagle, at exactly 68 years (1840-1907).
The obvious choice is the Washington quarter, but it's only been around for 67 years (1932-1998).
And the already-mentioned Jefferson nickel seems to come in third place, with 66 years (1938-2003).

...I thought foreign examples would be commonplace; guess not (at least for coins that did say the year - the main reason is that they also tended to mention the monarchs, and monarchs ruling for 60+ years were kind of rather rare). Ignoring possible French issues from the reign of Louis XIV (I'm not familiar with these enough), the only one I can think about is Switzerland; I have a Swiss coin from 1894 with exactly the same design as on modern coins, and I've heard that it actually started a few decades earlier.
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OK, so the Roosevelt dime has now tied the Liberty Quarter Eagle at 68 years. Was the LQE continuously minted that entire time?

It has surpassed the Washington quarter, although one could say that it was really only 43 years (1932 through 1974) without a change due to the Bicentennial. If we add in the years through 1998 that it reverted to the original design then we could add another 22 years (1977-1998) and come up with 65 years total.

As for the Secretary of the Treasury changing the designs, while the law does permit him or her to change it without Congressional approval after 25 years, in reality if he did then Congress would jump in and create legislation to make the coin as they want. Look what they did with the Jefferson nickel, that design may not now be changed without Congressional approval regardless of the age of the design.
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As if we needed another reason to hate Congress.
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Was the LQE continuously minted that entire time?


If I checked Coin Facts correctly, then yes, it was, theoretically. And by "theoretically", I mean "some years only had mintage in three digits".
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I don't think a gap in mintage would constitute a "change".

However, I do consider even minor changes to count so the addition of the designer initials to the Jefferson nickel in 1966 restarted that series.

To my mind the 58 year run of the 2 1/2 dollar gold is the one to beat. The Roosevelt clad dime has a good shot at it but I still wouldn't mind seeing a design change for all US coins. We need to modernize and rationalize the coinage system, and bring it into the 21st century artistically.

This means at the very least the cessation of pennies and changing the composition of the "nickel" to aluminum. It also means the withdrawl of the one dollar note as well as the circulation of a $2 coin and circulation of a $2 note to ease the transition. Numerous changes are needed but these are a minimum in order to fascilitate commerce and present a rational face to the future and the world at large. These are the minimum requirements to stop throwing away money and to assure a few more years of the usage of currency. These changes would slow the transmission of disease and even help thwart pickpockets since they wouldn't see where you keep your wallet when you make small purchases.
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