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1920 No Dot Penny?

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 Posted 05/26/2013  12:18 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add stevo1962 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Does this look like a no dot penny or has the dot just worn away?

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 Posted 05/26/2013  05:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oh my florin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well I think that it is a no dot penny although just look for depressions where the dots should be in case they were removed (cant see from the pictures) otherwise the coin dosent look worn enough for the dot to disappear.
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 Posted 07/28/2013  05:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nealeffendi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin is a Dot Below (99+% certain).
There are only a handful of genuine No Dot dies and they all have distinct die markers. Your coin lacks the main markers, it also has a die crack through RGI that is different to the 2 obverses paired with No Dots that have die cracks in GEORGIUS.
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"Your coin lacks the main markers"
which are?
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For the No Dot pennies (which are all FBL) these are the markers that I look for.
1 a die pair with 2 dots on the front edge of the kings nose and a dot to the left of the foot of the Y. it may develop die cracks through MP GEORGIUS VDG BRITT. It may have clashed dies.
2 a die pair with a bulge at VDG and a dot to the left of 19, it may develop a die crack through AUSTRALIA and stippling below the date. Note that the Obverse die was also later paired with a Dot Over reverse so these may be Perth minted No Dots.
3 a die pair that has only minute obverse and reverse faults but develops die cracks through COMMONWEALTH OF AUST, IA, 1920 and GEORGIUS VD, BRITT, MP. It may have clashed dies.
4 a die pair with a faint dot on the right edge of the 3rd A and a dot next to O in OMN, it also has a mark in the denticles below the king and may have diecracks in EO and MP and may have clashed dies.
5 a die pair with no reverse faults but is distinct by a large defect in the denticles below the king, some coins are triple clashed.
I have not given all the faults, just the ones you might see on a crappy auction image. Some faults are just visible (at the right angle and with the right light) to see with a 15X loupe.
Dies 1-3 are about 5 to 10 times more common than the last 2 dies. There may be one or two dies that are genuine No Dots but I cannot be certain as my examples are not in high enough grades to be certain about them.
A no dot is a negative, it is hard to prove a negative but once I have at least a few decent coin or 20 average circulation coins with no visible dot then I would feel reasonably confident to call a die a No Dot die. As some of the die pairs are only found in fewer than one in every thousand 1920 pennies then once I pass 20,000 X 1920 will I feel reasonably confident that I have identified all the dies. There appear to be no die pairs with no fault either side.
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is this a not dot? it matches your criteria for number 3

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 Posted 02/11/2014  01:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add serial to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
anyone?
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 Posted 02/11/2014  02:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nealeffendi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do believe you have an example of one. The reverse diecracks match a coin that PCGS slabbed.
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thanks a heap neal, I appreciate the 2nd opinion :)
I will put some more up soon that I got in a bulk lot recentlyy
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G'Day,
How about these two?

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