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2000 P Virginia State Quarter.opinion's Needed

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 Posted 06/06/2013  12:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add monika to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello
I found this 2000 P State Quarter with a very mushy obverse design.What could had caused that?PMD or worn Die? Or?
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 Posted 06/06/2013  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Strikes me as a worn coin from a worn die.
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 Posted 06/06/2013  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The obeverse looks like a VLDS die state die struck your coin. The reverse looks like a fresher die. Just a normal coin struck with miss matched dies.
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 Posted 06/06/2013  2:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add monika to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guy's...
Looks like they would had retired that Die loooong before it struck this mass..:)
And Coop ..what does "VLDS" stand for?
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 Posted 06/06/2013  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very
Late
Die
State.
There are basically 4 die states. EDS Early Die State MDS Mid Side State LDS Late Die State. Plus the VLDS.
A coins show the different varying die states as the die ages. The nicest looking are the Are the EDS ones.
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This is a cool looking coin. It is interesting seeing such a worn die on the obverse with a reverse struck from a normal looking die. It is a coin I would keep just for the heck of it. I bet the die got even worse before it was retired. It would really be fun to look at an unciculated roll of these.

On Morgan silver dollars the 1889-O VAM 13B has "crumbled stars" that were created from a deteriorated die. The 1883-O "buffed reverse" has some of the same traits as your coin. http://www.vamworld.com/1883-O+VAM-1C1 unfortunately there is not anyone cataloging all of the die pairs used for the State Quarter yet like was/is being done with the Morgan & Peace Silver Dollars.
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7TF- It is very normal for the mint to retire one working die that is VLDS and leave the other die in place to get more life out of it. If one breaks (How we get Cuds or a shattered die) they replace that one only. So you will have a EDS mixed with a later die state. I see alots of mixed dies coin roll hunting. Cheers and Happy Hunting
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Like life not all are happy marriages. One breaks up and a better one is added to the surviving die.
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I was not saying anyone was wrong. Coop is the man on this site. He and a few others are always here to help and it is much appreciated. I was just saying I would hold onto it unless I needed the money to get more coins I guess. I admit there is no value other than it being a quarter right now but it is just kind of cool. Is it normal to have one die that is VLDS and another that is EDS? I don't know, but I don't think it is common. I was just pointing out that it is somewhat similar to what is called out on some dies for the Morgan silver dollars. Maybe Monika has never seen these before and will get interested in VAMs also.

Someday in the future maybe 20 years from now someone will be doing die studies on these coins and it would just be interesting to have for a die progression.
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 Posted 06/07/2013  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think I would call the reverse die in EDS die state. It maybe more of a MDS, which is still like a 20 year old compared to the obverse Senior, Senior citizen die state.
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I agree the reverse does not look EDS but it is really hard to tell what die state the reverse is because of the wear to the coin. I don't know what these things looks like with a nice fresh die because I don't collect them. The reverse of the coin is not what makes this coin interesting to me anyway, it is the extreme die wear on the obverse. It would be even more interesting if it started to "crumble" the letters and devices even more.

I don't look at many quarters other than what is in my pocket change so, these might be common but I have never noticed any like this. I am just a coin enthusiast that is trying to learn. I know a lot about VAM's but a lot of the stuff collected in the Morgan dollar Dies does not seem to be as big a deal in later coins. I just like to point people in the right direction when they pick something like that up in a coin. Being able to pick out a worn die over a worn coin is a good thing to learn. I have a hard time at this with old nickels & quarters, I think it is because they were used a lot.

Most people look at a 1992-D penny and think it is worth one cent but if they knew it had a Close AM on the reverse they would have a $3,000+ coin. Maybe if they knew there were only a few thousand of the Virginia quarters with extremely worn dies they might become collectible and be worth 35 cents. I am just making up numbers but you get the point.
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Thanks guy's for all your input on this
7TF.....you right,I haven't seen a coin with just a one sided Die wear like this one.I seen coins that had the wear on both sides pretty much equally.
I'm going to hold on to this coin .
I'am so glad I joined this site.I learned so much from you guy's and still learning.
Thanks :)
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