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Hello graders, If I read the Prices Realized on the Stack's website correctly, it looks like I won this coin.  I have to figure out how to pay for it now, but in the meantime would anyone like to estimate the grade? It's a raw coin so there's no TPG opinion available. So, there are no wrong answers! The photos are from the auction catalog. Lots of cool features on this coin: obverse die rust, clash marks on Liberty's neck, and drastic repunching of the first A in America.   |
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Valued Member
United States
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Congratulations on your win. Sorry, just learning about grading, and yours being an error really confuses me. But NICE COIN.
LeAnn
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Moderator
 United States
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I'm gonna say AU58 but I don't know what the error would add to it.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I love it, I would say AU-58-MS-60 also and its one coin I need for my dansco7070...hint hint  Edited by Bryan1315
05/23/2007 4:40 pm
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Nice clashed Die !!! I like the color and the Strike. Unless I am missing Something I would grade this at least MS-62 Maybe Higher
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I'd say anywhere from MS-61 to MS-63, as dipping and/or cabinet friction are NOT the same as wear from circulation. A very nice coin.
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Valued Member
United States
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It is a beauty but I can't tell if that is a touch of wear just behind the ear of not.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Depending on luster, it might go MS62. I just wonder why it's not in a TPG slab. |
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B-2 (no period after 25), the rarer of the two varieties. Wowser, Jaobler. This is one heckuva coin, and a tremendous rip if you didn't reach well into 4 figures to acquire it. Great strike, better at the front of the bust than most and only a little weakness in some stars is noted. If the fields are as undamaged as Stack's photos make them seem, it's very near Condition Census. Don't mistake the extensive obverse die rust for field damage, people - this (and the clashing) is extremely common with this issue. The only actual "marks" I see are at 7:00 near the denticles and 3:00, midfield. Holy cow, man. You've outdone yourself. Edit: I did a little digging. Jaobler, you need more fruit for this one than the forum can provide.      |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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oh yeah guess I better throw this in there before someone else does, if you ever feel the need to get rid of this one you know how to use the forum email to reach me
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Pillar of the Community
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Beautiful coin! I am going with MS-64. Why don't you slab it and see who got it right (assuming the slabbers do)?
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The only actual "marks" I see are at 7:00 near the denticles and 3:00, midfield.
I also see a reverse mark in the left field. I'd call this coin MS63, though. None of these marks is distracting. Congratulations on a great find! |
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Hey everybody, thanks for the input. I got my email invoice today so I really did win the coin. No Buyer's Remorse on this purchase! For the record, Stack's called it an MS63 and it was auctioned on 05/22 as part of the Henry Leon sale. I'd never heard of this collector but the majority of his coins were valuable and exotic colonial items. His 1652 New England shilling sold for over $400,000! The collection included many high-grade US type coins, most of which were uncertified. I probably will send this coin off to PCGS, after I've had a chance to enjoy it!  |
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You should be very proud. I love Bust Coinage and this is an absolute beauty. It is refreshing to hear that there are still some raw coins of this caliber out there. I still am torn between raw and slabbed. In this case, I just like you, would savor it raw(put on the drool guard!!!) for a while but then have it slabbed. Congratulations on a stunning purchase! Mike  |
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Maybe I knew it was too good to be true.... When I received this coin I was unpleasantly surprised. The coin looked rather dull in hand and I detected some faint hairlines that did not show in the photos. This was a case where the coin looked worse in person than in the picture. The really bad news is that it was not a raw coin after all. It was in a slab, and not a very nice one!   I contacted Stack's and they agreed that the catalog should absolutely have stated the coin was slabbed, and by which company. They asked me to return it for examination, which I did. I just got off the phone with the Stack's rep and he says he would grade this coin as MS-60, lightly cleaned. He apologized for the misleading catalog entry and is sending me a refund. Oh, he also mentioned that although this coin was listed in the Henry Leon sale catalog it was not part of that collection. It came from a different consignor. Prethen and Mike, your suspicions were correct. An 1833 quarter in problem-free MS-63 grade probably should have been in a top TPG holder. Now we can speculate as to why this one is in an Accugrade slab: it was probably first rejected by PCGS and NGC! I'm pretty disappointed in Stack's. I expect them to describe each coin in their catalogs in accordance with their considerable numismatic expertise. If a coin is slabbed and they think it is overgraded, they need to say that. I for one would also like to know up front whether they think a coin has been lightly cleaned! So, I'll get the cash back and resume the hunt. Stack's is conducting another auction next week and I see some tempting items in the catalog. My contact offered to discuss any lots that I am interested in, before I place any bids. I'll be sure to take him up on that! |
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