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Australia
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I was trying to remove duplicates in my collection to sell them off and found this interesting set. I realize I am a terrible hoarder and this has worked in my favor (not for my pockets though) Plain coin with nothing in the middle  Filled die error with the word M"a"nchurian Provinces on the reverse - looks more like an inverted V.  Flower in the middle  Flower in the middle with dot  First year of Hsuan Tung with Mongolian script in the middle  First year of Hsuan Tung - note of the three stars on each side  Manchurian Proviences - note: typo as well as completely different style of dragon  Pretty impressive to have them side by side. Was quite stunned over what I have been hoarding over the years while paying tiny attention to varieties. Now off to see if I can remove other duplicates from my collection. |
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Australia
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I find the Chinese coins fascinating, but I'm always wary of collecting them (because of counterfeits). How do you tell which ones are genuine varieties and which are either modern fakes/fantasy or contemporary counterfeits? I only have the Krause World Coins (sux for varieties and useless for spotting fakes  ). Any reliable references that you could recommend? |
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Unfortunately, the "old standard", Kann, lists a number of fantasies & forgeries in with the real pieces ; but at least ones made since the 1940s don't appear.
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Neal, I guess you need to put your foot in and find out some things the hard way. I've been burnt and bought extremely high quality counterfeits but I've used it as a good learning experience. This is how I obtained some of the toughest Chinese coins - can't just let the fear of counterfeits drag you down. The real unfortunate part about Chinese coins is that the market is flooded with a lot of counterfeits, expensive and it can be difficult. Most counterfeits are often crown size / dollar coins followed by half dollars. I guess most of the smaller silver denominations are "ok" as long as you are not looking for scarce types which are more likely to be counterfeits. Heck, even copper coins are counterfeited. However don't get confused with counterfeited copper coins versus "warlord copies". It's very confusing and the more you get into it, the more intriguing it becomes. I've been using an old version of this book as shown: http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-List-of...em20d533cd1bThis is for silver coinage only. It's all in Chinese - a bit tough as the description are in Chinese as well. It's a nice book as there's a lot of illustrations. |
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Thanks gxseries.
I had a squiz at your numismatic articles and collection. Very impressive.
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Valued Member
United States
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In addition to the 14 something varieties of the Hsuan Tung Era Manchurian Provinces Coins, there are three varieties of the Kuang Hsu Era coins.
These coins are scarcer compared to the Hsuan Tung Era coins, and bear the legend, The 33rd Year of Kuang Hsu.
I have on of those examples. I love collecting Asian coins due to the variety of types!
Anthony
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Singapore
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I love Chinese coins too and like gxseries have been burnt a few times. I was told I started at the wrong time - too expensive and plenty of fakes now, too late in the game as they say.
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United States
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Nice set, gxseries. I think the Manchurian Provinces are some of the more attractive of the milled silver provincial coins. Here are a few 20 cent varieties not shown above, including the one mentioned by anthonythecoinman. 33rd year of Kuang Hsu, Y210a.1  1st year of Hsuan Tung, Y213.2 (six pointed stars with dots in center)  Not dated, Y213a.6, reverse has different style rosette at sides  |
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Australia
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Thanks acanthite. Turns out I did forget that I had this coin as well. Reminded me that I had this. Not sure why I missed it in my first post. Probably got it after I posted this thread.  There is a copper coin issued later in 1929 - this looked more Japanese rather than Chinese  These coins at one stage were very affordable but like any other Chinese coins, high quality coin prices have gone through the roof. Those were the golden times... It was only recently that someone pointed out that these coins are severely underweight and he is right. The technical weight of these coins according to the inscription is 1.44 mace which should be around 5.4g. However these coins are often around around 5.0 to 5.1g. My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month. |
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Singapore
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Here's mine, with partial missing letters. Fake or another variety ?  |
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Australia
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Numister - do you happen to have the photo of the reverse, edge and the weight of the coin?
It does resemble the coin that I have (toned coin in the first thread) but the overall luster does not seem right unless cleaned / treated with chemicals.
My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month. |
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Sure do Gx, here they are. Weight is 5g. Most likely cleaned.   Edited by Numister
01/26/2018 09:55 am
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Australia
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Thanks Numister. I am certain that it looks genuine but may be proven wrong down the road. There are a couple of sellers based in Spain and Netherlands that specialize in counterfeiting common Chinese coins and this is not an exception. Edge and weight seems to be within tolerance.
The reason why I suspected it is because of the unusual surface texture especially around the stars. But that may be explained due to exposure to chemicals. While it looks similar to the coin that I have, there's definitely some minor differences.
My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month. |
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Thanks for your opinions gx, I suspect that these sellers from Spain and Netherlands are a front for coin forgers from China to
lend a appearance of legitimacy to these high grade fakes they are selling. Most of them have 100% feedback and people are still buying.
How are they getting away with this ?
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Ignorant buyers or 100% refund will solve the problem.
At this point of time, how matter how often you write to non specialized auction houses - unless you have a lawyer and numismatic expert that is willing to fork out a ton lot of money and time to file lawsuits, they are unwilling to kill their 'golden goose'. It's a buyer's beware market.
My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month. |
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Valued Member
United States
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Yes, the Spain and Netherland seller are ALL FAKES! Norman Gorny, acclaimed author of the Song Cash Variety Guide, mentioned in his blog on the seller Best666 from the netherlands. THEY ARE ALL FAKES. Pattern pieces from Hunan province. Inverted 10 cash brass from Fengtien province. Serveral Hung Hsien pieces. ALL FAKES! Be aware!
Anthony
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