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Proof Sets, Sleepers, Bullish Or Worthless?

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 Posted 08/21/2013  08:06 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add StackerDennis to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey guys I wanted to get CC opinion on something very debatable but important to me and I think most US collectors today, my coin dealer that mentored me had a distaste for proof sets he just didn't like them or the american eagles proofs he felt they were a bad investment,

I have always felt they were a decent investment. over the years I have acquired over 650 proof sets, now I'm at a crossroads of should I sell them and buy key date numis or buy more silver or just keep the proof sets. I'm very torn as to what to do and thought this would be a great thing to get some opinions on how does CC feel about US proof sets!!

the reason this has come up is someone has offered me 100% dealer buy price on all my proofs and its a great offer to sell them all at ounce if that's what is the best thing pleas help me I need some opinions!
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08/21/2013 08:15 am
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 Posted 08/21/2013  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cc99999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, here's the thing, not all proof sets are created equally. And what is happening in the market now- may not carry forward into the future. Generally speaking, proof sets from 1968-1972 have the most upside if they contain deeply cameo'd coins. Same holds true for proof sets from 1955-1964. Pre-1955 proof sets are increasingly hard to find in nice original condition with quality undamaged coins- these i'd keep.

Pre 1942 proof sets have nothing but upside.

If I was going to recommend to a collector who really wanted to have a good investment and liked proofs- i'd say this: 19th century proof sets, while pricey, are worth the effort. If you can't swing the bigger denomination coins- build minor proof sets. Cent, Three Cent Nickel, and Five Cent Nickel.

More challenging, more fun, and a bigger payoff. You can get a 19th century nickel proof for $200 or $300, same with the cent. In every single case, you will have a more historic and rare piece than nearly any modern proof set- unless it has rare varieties, or some other specific feature unique to it.

you are better off having fewer better coins in the long run- if you are in this hobby as an investor.
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 Posted 08/21/2013  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As said before all proof sets are not equal. Modern clad sets generally are not a good profit making venture. The shear volume and the lack of silver really is a draw back. If you could cherry pick early 70's clad sets and say 56-69 sets with silver for impressive cameos you may find some quality individual coins. As for modern sets I stick to the silver sets. They include all the quarters with their varying reverse thyme and all the brass dollars again with the changes yearly. you also get the occasional commemorative such as the 2009 cents and the commemorative Jefferson nickles. These sets hold at least the silver value, a copy of the one year issues coins and occasionally low mintages such as the 2012 silver set.

Proof ASE's are beautiful coins and should always command a premium over silver price.

Lastly dealer buy may not be rosy, a dealer buy on a 1971 or 1972 clad set may be face value.
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08/21/2013 2:23 pm
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 Posted 08/21/2013  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joe2007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Proof and mint sets from the late 1960's to the 1990's seem to have a huge supply and not much collector demand to keep prices up. These products have been one of the worst 'investments' in numismatics with many being worth less than the issue price. If you can get a decent price for them I would suggest liquidating them. Most dealers that I know don't want them because already have plenty in their inventories. They can't sell them and thus have to wholesale them to large national dealers at heavily discounted prices way back of sheet.
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 Posted 08/21/2013  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyJames to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Proof sets are not a bad investment in the sense that the price will probably not get much lower. To have some upside, you would need to cherry pick the nicest sets assuming you can get them for the same price as the lion's share of the average ones.

The mintages on modern proof sets are so high that there'd have to be a pretty sizable mechanism to get them out of 'circulation' so to speak. I can't think of what that would be, and I don't think they'll go up in price until something like that starts to happen.
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 Posted 08/21/2013  5:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add allranger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you have a buyer I'd sell them if I were you and get some of those nicer coins you have been wanting. I can't imagine me looking back and wanting my 600 proof sets after I got rid of them. But I am not a date collector so...
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 Posted 08/21/2013  5:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add StackerDennis to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for your opinions!
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 Posted 08/21/2013  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SA4H to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I too collect proof coins but I would not want more than 1 set per year. As many have said, they are not the 'best' candidate for value appreciation. So, my suggestion: Picking one best set per date, selling the rest, get that money, buy some key date coin, early date proof, silver coins, gold coins such as Reverse Proof Gold Buffalo, etc.

Good luck.
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 Posted 08/21/2013  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bizybackson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow 650 proof sets. I take it that you're an accumulator of late date proof sets. I wish I had 650 of the 2012 silver proof set to sell! I'm like most of the of the others, have just 1 per year of each the silver proof sets issued since 1992. However I have silver ROLLS of each of the issued ATB Quarters thus far.
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 Posted 08/21/2013  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cladking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Proof sets have been an enigma since 1968 in terms of price prediction. They are very high priced for the first three years after mintage and then they tend to drop sharply. They go up when the market is strong and lose up to 60% of their value when it's weak.

Someday clad proof sets could do very well because attrition is fairly high and lots of people like their quality but that day could still be far in the future. Right now these sets are exceedingly weak and this especially applies to the ones since 1988. If I were in at a good price I might be inclined to hold them for an improving economy. If you thinkthe economy will improve sit on them, if not dump them.

But it might not be a good idea to hold them for the long term. They take up a lot of room and poor storage can ruin them. When the price goes up just pick out the nicest sets and dump the rest. You might want to keep an eye on this market though because eventually there will be demand and there isn't going to be the overhanging supply. That's when you want to buy if investment is your goal. As others have suggested investment in coins is risky.

You might have fun collecting these in the interim. It's not extremely difficult to find sets that have all very high quality Gems and a set of these would be quite impressive. Maybe you can find some varieties. The 70 sm dt and '81 type II mm's aren't too tough.
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 Posted 08/26/2013  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HarveyJMartha to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Proof coins = bullions topped up with insane premiums. I'd suggest, if you aren't an ardent coin collector go for ‘regular' bullions. Buy government-issued coins and then sell them for their metal content.
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 Posted 08/26/2013  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add welder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are my 2cents,

With 650 proof sets, I'd build myself a complete set using the best sets available. Second, go through the rest a pull out & keep the key-date sets. Then sell off the rest and buy the coins or bullion of your choice.

It is ironic that coins nobody wants today often become highly desirable in the future.
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 Posted 08/26/2013  4:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SA4H to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree w/ welder approach...... I would do the same thing.
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 Posted 08/26/2013  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I enjoy proof sets and have a complete collection from 1960,
I'm working my way back.
From where I'm sitting they are not a good investment, actually a bad investment.
But I like them and will continue building my set.
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 Posted 08/26/2013  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BenjaminsBaby to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
since you have a lot you can pull them out individually and sell say 1960-2000 all nickels on ebay...i see these going for a lot more when they are all together or if you have a lot of mint sets as well..make a few sets in nice dansco albums and sell them on ebay...you can get a pretty nice profit once all complete...but that does take a lot of time...is it worth it...thats the opinion of the person....but like most people are saying I would keep any silver proof sets any pre 1965 proof sets the bicentinial proof set issues anything with an ike and any state quarter/ATB quarter proof set....i see these gaining value especially the silver ones...im sure you could do some trading with people here on CC
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