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New arrival today.Would love to know grading opinions thank you

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 Posted 09/04/2013  02:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say a solid gEF, too much wear on the kings face and reverse to have it as aUNC even though some very faint lustre remains.
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09/04/2013 02:20 am
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I agree EF40
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It is easy to see where the wear is on this coin, because the metal wear patches show up so brightly.
The fact that the wear is so bright suggests that the wear is comparatively recent, probably in the last 10 years or so.

8 pearls, but there is either a light strike or wear on the middle fleur de lis, on the crown. Detail here on the high point is indistinct.
The band of the orb on top of the crown is still evident, however. That usually only survives on uncirculated coins.
Beard detail OK. Sometimes the detail remains in this area, but the sharpness of that detail dissappears, even with EF coins.

I am going to grade this one in the Sheldon system. Don't normally do that with Aussie coins.
AU55.
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I agree AU55 with PCGS or maybe MS70 with some certain Australian 'professional' grading companies.
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I'd say gEF too.
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@dcoin

Do Aussie grading companies really grade too high? Thank goodness I live in America :)
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dcoin
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I agree AU55 with PCGS or maybe MS70 with some certain Australian 'professional' grading companies.

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Do Aussie grading companies really grade too high?

There aren't really any 'professional' grading companies in Australia. There's one guy that fancies himself as a 'professional' grader, but it appears that his only 'customer' is probably himself. I think dcoin's statement was very much tongue-in-cheek.
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hey is that a cub under the imp and near the rex or just the way the picture was taken
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Yeah it looks like there is something going on in those spots
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A cub?
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Gawd enworb I thought it was a typo for Cud? Not that I give an error.

One thing I did want to mention on was sel's comment:
"The fact that the wear is so bright suggests that the wear is comparatively recent, probably in the last 10 years or so."

How does a 1919 penny wear more in the last 10 years than the first 90 or so?

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Shanew has mentioned a 'cub' in several threads now. I was just wondering if its a new type of error I hadnt heard about.

I have seen that type of wear on coins taken from bulk lots. They have moved around in the bag and the high points have experienced wear.
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Also generally accompanied with bright spots on the rim, which annoys me
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"How does a 1919 penny wear more in the last 10 years than the first 90 or so?
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in correct handling by people who inherit lots. I have seen someone pick a mint state 1850's sovereign up of a table by putting his finger on it and sliding it to the edge of the wooden table putting visible scratches on the face of the coin.
its sad that a coin can sit inert for 40+ years and then get damaged by someone just pouring them out on a table and rooting through them like a pig in dirt. I have seen this happen with my own eyes!
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Rather than a " Cud" perhaps a slightly offset strike resulting in a secondary rim.?
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