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2 New Finds! But I Don't Know What They Are?

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 Posted 11/05/2013  10:16 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Candace to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi first I have a Australian 1979 20 cent coin struck on the wrong planchet the only other coin that I can find that matches is a Singapore 50 cent but they were not minted at the same joint? here is pic's if anyone has any info pleeease share cause I have no other explanation as to how its weight is what it is



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on this last pic there is a small P


The next I'm not sure what it is first I thought that this 2 dollar coin had be coloured in with lead pencil because it has a silver sparkle/shine but I tried to wash it of and because it would not budge I looked a little closer and seen this



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I have never seen this on a coin before, once again any knowledge or info is better then none.
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 Posted 11/05/2013  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Candace to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just found that the $2 looks like roller marks but do we get them on australian coins? Rrrr I'm going to bed so sleepy
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 Posted 11/05/2013  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't comment on the 20c coin, but the $2 is most likely a circulated proof. It's fairly common to find proofs in circulation, and I used to keep them all, but they're just curios really.
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 Posted 11/05/2013  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Candace to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info on the $2 its pretty cool looking in hand.
With the other I know there is a 1979 Australian 20 cent struck on Nepalese Rupee planchet. 7.52 g but dose not add up with mine if there was one muck up there could be two I sent pics of to a dealer but its been three days now and I haven't herd anything I might have to send it of with a few others that need looking at. Now to find out what to do and how and were to send them them.....
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 Posted 11/06/2013  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a good question. I am curious - how did you figure out that the 20 cents coin is underweight? Did you try to use it in the vending machine and it was rejected, hence you decided to check the weight?
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 Posted 11/07/2013  05:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Candace to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi gxseries, No when I opened my wallet to put all my coins into the money box I spotted that it was a bit thinner than the others I have had it for about 8months and just cant find anything on it
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 Posted 11/07/2013  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Candace to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All I have to do know is wait for a reply.... I just figured out to get looked at and verified sometimes thing are a bit easier than I realize I know ill probably have to have a road trip but I am pretty frekin excited
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 Posted 11/20/2013  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Candace to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have conformation form the Australian Royal Mint that there is no other and they have not seen one of these 20 cent coins. Its going to be slabbed but not 100% sure on how it will happen ill hear back from Hong Kong PCGS I dare say tomorrow the US expert wants it submitted and there very keen for me to post it to them or to a authorized dealer before any testing from the mint but I dont think ill let the mint test it because they said in there email it could possibly do damage to the coin. So thats where its up to... thought id share even though this is the 3rd post in a row by myself.
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 Posted 11/20/2013  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add awildeheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi there, I'm wondering if you could put up a photo of the 20c coin side on, with a normal one next to it so I can get an idea of the width difference.
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 Posted 11/22/2013  02:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oh my florin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Frankly it couldn't have been manufactured from a Singaporean fifty cent blank as Singapore issues it's own coins and it has not been outsourced to the Royal Australian Mint for production at any point from the research I have done. Now if there was one struck from a Nepalese blank which measures 7.52g while this one weighs 9.56-7g it is impossible to be made from a Nepalese blank (the machines used to produce these coins would get it within a small range of 0.01's of from the target but it is highly unlikely one would be struck a couple of grams of! and then get through quality control would be nigh on impossible!
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 Posted 11/22/2013  03:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oh my florin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually I believe the coin it self may actually be a fake! I found the following article showing that a number of private individuals struck commemorative coins for Nepal and confirms they were in possession of cupro nickel blanks so I think someone found these blanks and decided to strike them as 20c coins resulting in what you see here as well as providing the explanation for why they are overweight as they were initially specially prepared commemorative planchets but have been forged into 20c coins (supports some of the poorer details on the coin prehaps?)

Here is the link to the document
http://naa-online.com/pdfjournal/Vo...icle%207.pdf

The special strikings apparently occurred in 1977 making it quite plausible
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11/22/2013 03:03 am
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 Posted 11/23/2013  04:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am fairly sure it's an elliptical clipped planchet.
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 Posted 11/23/2013  08:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Candace to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another person has said the same because of the Beasley affect or close to the name of it, they also said it was a genuine underweight planchet.
Surprisingly there was a coin and stamp fair on in Wagga today I meet a lovely older man who use to work at the Australian mint he was also a bit stunt and recommended that I do not sell it till PCGS slab it I was surprised at all his knowledge I could of listed to him all day if he was not bizzy he was telling me about the big strike the mint had and a lot of stuff I did not know.
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 Posted 11/23/2013  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oh my florin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please specify which dealer it was as use to work for the Australian Mint is a pretty ambiguous and vague term in my opinion Also in terms of an underweight planchet I would be highly highly sceptical of that as in the multiple years I have spent within the hobby I have never come across a genuine underweight planchet I mean even back in 1910 the time of our first silver predecimal coin they could manage to always maintain a consistent weight and even in 1979 with even more advanced machinery designed to maintain the very slightest margins of error a coin to 0.1 or so of a gram to spit out a coin not 0.5 nor 1 nor 1.5 grams below the standard but close to 2 grams of equating to an massive 18% error I am absolutely convinced it was not mint made in any capacity. Secondly another reason for the underweight coin may have a common theme with one of shanew coins found in a bulk lot in which a coin retained all of it's detail but was only half the thickness of a proper coin which was concluded was due to subjecting it to an acid bath of some sort. Tho could you please post photo's of the rim and that should answer a lot of questions and doubts about the coin itself.
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11/23/2013 09:43 am
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 Posted 11/23/2013  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Underweight planchet doesn't mean it's necessarily a planchet intended for another denomination. IMHO it's just a clipped planchet. Clipped planchets are underweight planchets too :)
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I should add that I see clear evidence that this coin was struck underweight rather than being damaged afterwards. I also see evidence that it was rimmed while underweight. An elliptical clip (where a part of the planchet is removed that looks like a crescent moon) clearly explains everything that I see on that coin.
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