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 Posted 11/05/2013  3:12 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Grade opinion? Yes, more bad photos, I'll check out the photography forum. This one lurked in my album for years without a second thought.

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 Posted 11/05/2013  3:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fields look mint state.

I'd say ms62 or ms63.
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 Posted 11/05/2013  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
very clean fields and a little frosty on the high points....could easily be an MS coin..


...and only a few sharp and clear pics away from the truth...
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 Posted 11/05/2013  7:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These are usually beat up and scratched all to pieces but, this one s very nice...

MS62 at least IMO
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For now, I'll go with MS-63.
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Thanks a lot for the feedback guys, and for not slamming me too hard over the photos. This is probably the one raw coin in my collection that I would consider getting graded. I have fantasies that it could go MS64, but I'm the kind of guy who stares at my 1936 ten cent trying to make a dot appear. Under magnification there are a couple very shallow bag marks in the field, two left of the portrait and one to the right, all less than the width of George's eye. The ding in the 5 on the reverse is the most obvious flaw, but I see an MS65 in the PCGS registry (Lantern collection) that has a bigger ding in the 5. It's a special coin to me personally, so I suppose it doesn't matter.
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 Posted 11/08/2013  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Many of my early nickels have a dig or mark in the 5 and they are still graded MS pieces.

You should sent it in for a grade...Good luck with it...
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Hi kbbpll,

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Grading standards do allow for marks on coin in varying degrees through the MS grades.

A cautionary note though when using a particular coin as your base for assigning grade.

Just because a coin happens to be in a holder that "says" it's MS65, does not necessarily guarantee that the coin has in fact been correctly assigned the proper grade.

It is an opinion only - and 3rd party graders can and do make mistakes - also PCGS grades on Canada coins are often at least a full-step above ICCS opinions, which I guess, while debatable, still seems to be the generally accepted standard in Canada.

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also PCGS grades on Canada coins are often at least a full-step above ICCS opinions, which I guess, while debatable, still seems to be the generally accepted standard in Canada.


With circulated grades, I would tend to agree. With mint state coins however, PCGS does a far better job of using the Sheldon scale with its grading. That said, there are markedly differing styles of grading mint state coins with these two third party graders. ICCS likes clean fields and forgives marks on the devices without punishing weakly struck coins - PCGS likes clean, strongly struck devices, and forgives marks on the fields. People who are used to "ICCS grading" don't often take this into account, when being critical of PCGS - and vice versa.
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SPP-OTT...I agree.

What others neglect also is PCGS's ms66 equals ICCS's ms65 for many series, not based on 'easier' grading standards by PCGS, but rather, PCGS's willingness to grade using a higher MS number.

Put another way, look at the pop reports for ICCS's ms64-ms65-ms66 range for mid century coinage (such as KGVI) and you will see a similar pattern for PCGS's ms65-ms66-ms67 grades (for similar years).

Twenty years ago, obtaining an ICCS ms65 was the 'holy grail' and to see an ms66 from ICCS for coins pre-1960 was extremely rare.

Likewise for PCGS's ms66-ms67 range.
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 Posted 11/09/2013  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Listen closely to what SPP has just said.. If you truly think that this nickel is MS or high MS,..then sent it to PCGS.
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Don't mean to drag this out, but here are newer pictures just to see how they show up. I switched to my daughter's Fujifilm XP, changed lighting, and tried Picasa on them (suggested in another post).

All previous comments on grading standards etc were appreciated. I'd probably go PCGS, mostly to avoid international shipping back & forth.

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