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Some kind of planchet flaw.


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Yeah, that's really cool. Nice Ike
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If it was a planchet flaw wouldn't the date be more clearly struck? Looks more like someone damaged the coin with pliers to me. The damage looks to be over the date...and not something that was there before it was struck.
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looks like damage to me.
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Its not damage. I am 100% sure. Note the corresponding weakness of strike at STATES on the reverse. That indicates poor metal flow as a result of an incomplete planchet. It was damaged prior to striking.
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Weakness at states iis probably strike through grease on the die,it looks PMD hve to inspect with microscope to confirm
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From Joe Sullivan (Error dealer) on another forum;

"The rim and part of the field was scraped away prior to strike. What caused it to be scraped away I don't know, and I don't think you could ever find out. It's worth about $40 I would say."

Another member there I greatly respect;

"Could be the end of the strip, with one side of the end machined down to taper the end of the strip, to make it easier to feed the end of the strip into the blanking press.

The machining could have migrated a bit of the cu-ni cladding out over the end of the copper, where it was then rolled down by the upsetting mill."


It's not damage, thank you.
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I am not convinced either way. ( PMD or some type of error) At first I was going to say PMD because the date and the rim was affected and it looked like it was done Post Strike. But upon further inspection I am not positive. The opposite side rim on the obverse makes me think it wasn't seated in the collar properly. Also the back weak area has the same size area affected and behind the part of the obverse that is affected. Maybe I'm over thinking it and it is just a Grease Filled Die and PMD. But something about it doesn't quite add up to me.
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It was damaged AFTER the strike. All damage in the "1776" is on TOP of the numbering. If it was planchet issues, the planchet damage would be on the bottom, and more of the "1776" would be on top.

In addition, look at the area Just before "LIBERTY" on the Obverse. There may be signs of a vise job, because on the reverse by "UN" in UNITED there is additional damage. In my opinion, this is FAR from a planchet / pre-strike issue, definitely PMD.
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I can see the 1 and first 7 under the damage.
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Note the corresponding weakness of strike at STATES on the reverse. That indicates poor metal flow as a result of an incomplete planchet. It was damaged prior to striking.

This, I concur with it being a damaged planchet. It is a nice find and more interesting than an average small clip you might find on an Ike.
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damage.
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It was damaged AFTER the strike. All damage in the "1776" is on TOP of the numbering. If it was planchet issues, the planchet damage would be on the bottom, and more of the "1776" would be on top.

Parts of "1776" are visible in the area in question before the planchet tapers off too much to create sufficient metal flow.

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In addition, look at the area Just before "LIBERTY" on the Obverse. There may be signs of a vise job, because on the reverse by "UN" in UNITED there is additional damage. In my opinion, this is FAR from a planchet / pre-strike issue, definitely PMD.

In-hand, these areas do not line up. That pretty much rules out a vise job. This coin was found in a bag with 1,000 other Eisenhowers. Some damage, obviously, is going to occur when it gets tossed around in a bag with so many other coins for so long, plus the general abuse Eisenhowers go through. I'd say that, out of these bags, approximately 5% of the coins have damage that would result in a details grade from a TPG, mostly as a result of the coin counters used. I am going to get as close as I can to the area of the planchet flaw and get some images of it.
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Interesting-Ike-Error-I-Found-Today.

Note the striations on the planchet run under the numbers, indicating a weak strike due to poor metal flow in those areas. Also notice the raised rim where the striations end, thanks in part due to the planchet going through the upsetting mill and the collar die pushing the metal up there. Note that the bottom of the first 7 is visible, as well as some light metal flow in the loop of the 6.

If anybody insists upon calling this PMD after seeing this image, all I can do is laugh since you apparently have no idea what you're talking about, and keep stuff like this to myself in the future. I didn't post the coin here to have it trashed as PMD when it isn't. I know what I'm talking about, I handle more Ikes probably than anybody here ever has. I don't mean to come off as overly cocky or arrogant, but when you have handled north of $50k in Ikes, you know what you're talking about.
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I agree this is a valid error and is not PMD.
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