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1947ml 25 Cent - Grade And Conservation Opinions Please

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This coin has been in the same 2x2 and 20 slot plastic 3-ring binder page since 1971. Other coins are stored in the same manner for the same duration. This is a two-topic thread - I'm interested in grade opinions; and if you notice anything about the impact of the storage, conservation tips for the future. I'm trying to show it as the naked eye sees it and under various angles and lighting.

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 Posted 11/27/2013  05:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
George's eyebrow,ear and neck appear to have slight wear,same for the caribou.Maybe it's just the pics through the plastic.
If you don't like the appearance,which IMO is attractive and natural,dip it.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 11/27/2013  05:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add artdio to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks like a nice VF 30 and dont touch it..He looks good the way he is ..
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Naturally toning, nice one.

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I was thinking AU-55, weaker strike...
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Geez...maybe I'm loopy today, but I'm seeing ms63.
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seeing an MS? But definitely not lower than AU?
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EF40 to MS63 so far... must be the pictures. There are no rim dings (in case someone sees something); that's distortion from the holder. I was thinking MS and fairly high - I see one minor mark on the reverse and a couple very light ones on the obverse plus that hit on the jaw. But as usual I don't know "slight wear". I'll pull out my several ICCS MS quarters and compare side by side.

No one said the dreaded PVC damage. I didn't want to influence opinions at first. I see that mottled look in the lustre with almost a greenish tinge, and I freak out. That's why I left it in the holder for the photos, so people can see it as-is.
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Looks like MS63 to me but tricky with pictures through holders.

Usually when I've seen PVC slime it is on the high points where the coin was touching the plastic, not the fields.
If it looks like the pictures it is likely just natural toning, looks sort of creamy white as opposed to the bright green you see with PVC
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No bright green, just the creamy very light green tint you see. Is there a good thread or resource on identifying PVC? I've searched this forum and I see it mentioned in passing in a lot of threads but I haven't landed on one yet specifically devoted to the topic, that shows what it looks like and what causes it, etc. I'm happy to think this coin is just naturally like this. After 40+ years I suppose the damage is either done or it isn't, but I don't know that for sure either, i.e. does the outgassing continue forever or is there a time limit. Thanks for the replies.
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I didn't bring my camera to work today but I think I have some PVC'd dimes lying around somewhere..
Ill snap some pics with my phone

EDIT: PS: looking at your coin again it just looks like water spots to me. From rinsing in tap water and letting it air dry.
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1947ml-25-Cent---Grade-And-Conservation-Opinions-Please

This is what I typically see for PVC damage - and its from those new blue books with the soft vinyl flips

Apologies for the photo quality but it shows what I was saying about the high points.

Acetone is the usual cure for PVC damage but there is a point of no return where it starts to corrode the coin.
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Hmm, interesting theory. When we first got coins from grandpa we cleaned a couple of them with silver polish (bad idea, but I was 11). We didn't clean any Canadians (they were already "shiny") and I don't recall rinsing any of them. I'll ask my brother. A bit later they went into these 2x2's and there they've stayed.

I have an ICCS PL65 with one bright green spot that looks more like slime than this coin; I'll try to take a picture to compare. SsuperDdave seems to know a lot about PVC but I'm not sure if he posts over here.
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Coin appears MS60- MS62. Question to you ...............stored in a house near an oil furnace? Looks like the start of sulphur induced silver cancer. Easily and safely removed with "DISSOLVE" or "MS70" if used correctly.
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No oil furnace since 1971. Possibly before that but I don't know what heat my grandparents used (could even have been coal in the early years). Coins were all raw when I received them, probably separated in a box with tissue or something, so it's hard to believe none of the others have this if it was/is sulphur.
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I am thinking AU as well
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