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I just discovered them this morning and I have to say I'm digging them. I bought two from the same seller just now on ebay to start me off. http://www.ebay.com/itm/39058285604....m1439.l2649http://www.ebay.com/itm/37080190866....m1439.l2649I figure I'll probably buy one every couple weeks only in xf condition from here on out based only on designs I like. So were they used in the colonies or did they only circulate in Great Britain? And do I have to worry about counterfeits with these? *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. *** |
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Pillar of the Community
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Only circulated in Britain, nothing to do with you colonial people (you guys had said cheery bye bye by then). You overpaid a bit for those two, but still within the bounds I would expect them to sell for.
Its a very interesting series - I suggest you look up how they came into being. I've got a whole load, if you're looking for any specifics (perhaps the original namesake of your town issued a token if you live in a town named after a town in England) - I can also help you find good deals (a BU, mostly red, lustrous coin can be had for under £30 if you're willing to be patient).
And counterfeits occur in huge numbers, nearly all contemporary (Ironbridge's token was reissued, but itslabelled at a replica). The value of these is a big question - its different for each token. Wilkinson's tokens were extensively copied and collectors avidly seek out the rarer forgeries (ive got a few knocking around - the most popular are mules and mispellings).
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Looks like this is in the wrong forum then.
Thanks Ben!
I figured I overpaid for the "Peace and Plenty" one but I didn't mind, it was only $20. I also figured I got a killer deal on the Manchester one, it looks to be in great condition for 1793. I suppose I was wrong but then again, I just discovered these this morning so what do I know.
The only thing I read is that Britain was not producing enough small denomination coins so they were privately minted for a while, similar to the civil war cent over here in the states. Is there anything else that I should read up on that will fascinate me?
Also I live in Riverside. Any tokens from a "Riverside" in London?
Thanks
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I'll move it for you ;-)
swcoin.ecrater.com
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I don't think BenByfield is completely correct. A few tokens did circulate in the colonies where there was insufficient, particularly copper coinage.
For example, the Professor Holloway 1/2d and 1d tokens, and the Hodgins token (made in Birmingham) for use in Ireland, circulated in Australia.
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01/11/2014 8:58 pm
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New Member
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The 1793 Manchester looks great and not a bad price for such a nice one!
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Pillar of the Community
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Riverside is quite modern, isn't it? Any idea of the closest old town or borough? some places have been absorbed by london but did issue their own tokens - like Garrett, which issed a token showing their sham mayor, a dwarf who is humourously referred to as Sir Geoffry Dunstan.
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And counterfeits occur in huge numbers, nearly all contemporary (Ironbridge's token was reissued, but itslabelled at a replica). Ben are you referring to Shropshire 9 here? The Iron Bridge at Coalbrook. I recently bought one of these on E-Bay. If I posted a photo could you tell if it is a counterfeit. Quote:
I can also help you find good deals I love collecting these things so any information you are willing to give would be greatly appreciated. I did not mean to hijack the thread, but it seems on topic. |
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If yu post a photo, I can let you know. also, take note of the edge of the coin. As to getting bargains...I'll not give you my best info, but if you PM me, I can talk to you about it (I have quite a few tokens which I dont want or need which I can sell off cheap if as well). I will say this, I bought this today for under a pound, including shipping:  Its pretty low grade, and overcleaned, but its a type I've wanted (the heart is the symbol of the East India Company) and postage will cost the guy nearly a quid. Also, you can get really high grade examples of common coins for basically nothing. Best I've fuond is £15 for a coin with red remaining. Same type as the one I just posted, coincidentally. |
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Just buy them in Proof <BG>. There too common in MS65 R&B <BG>.
John Lorenzo
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I can also help you find good deals (a BU, mostly red, lustrous coin can be had for under £30 if you're willing to be patient). These ones you reference at £30 in BU must be extremely, extremely common tokens. Nothing in the popular series like the Pidcock's or Druid series can be had for such scant amounts. The prices of the 18th Century Provincial Tokens (Conders) have been going up-up-up here in the USA for the past 3-5 years. The quality depends largely on the manufacturer also. The tokens from SOHO are notoriously well produced, while other smaller and less equipped mints produced far inferior quality tokens. The standard current reference for these tokens is the Dalton & Hamer work, which is available in its entirety online at this link: http://provincialtokencoinage.weebly.com/ It is currently in the process of being updated by Bill McKivor and others hopefully for release in 2014 or 2015. For history and context, you may want to visit the Wikipedia article ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conder_Tokens ), which I have updated and written 95% of in the past few months. |
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If yu post a photo, I can let you know. also, take note of the edge of the coin. As promised here is the photo of Shropshire D&H 9. Edge: PAYABLE AT COALBROOK-DALE AND KETLEY. I would be stunned if this is a contemporary counterfeit. The font is correct with the photos from Dalton Hamer and The Token Book right down to the backwards 1's and the spacing.  |
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Nice example, and authentic. I havent seen any contemporary counterfeits of this type, but its certainly not an altered modern replica - they have a plain edge.
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Here are a few from my collection, and tokens of this quality/scarcity will not be found for £30.    |
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Very nice! My Guildford token just arrived, along with 4 other tokes I got for a quid each from the guy (2 Birmingham mining and copper, Macclesfield and a Portsmouth)
Yeah, you wont find those pieces for under £30. I always wondered whether the edge remained red or handling let them turn brown - I suppose a lacquered piece would remain red. I'm really liking my high grade Guildford piece, ill have to look out for other high grade coins going cheap, I dont have many.
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I wonder whether the worms liked the sugar plums ?
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