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1847 Large Cent Interesting But Fake

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I soon as I saw this I knew it was different, gave the coin shop a couple bucks to have a new addition to my fake coin album.

Any thoughts or opinions?


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Contemporary counterfeit? Cast?


Hoping I can learn from the wise large cent pros here.


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Not bad at all
Looks Contemporary.
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Contemporary counterfeit?


I was hoping that it could be ... but do not
have the knowledge on this series.


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Hoping I can learn from the wise large cent pros here.


I too am hoping for some good expert opinions
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That is interesting. You would think that if it is a counterfeit from the 1840s it would have been confused with a Half Cent which weighs about the same(5.44 grams). A Half Cent is only 4 mm. smaller than a large cent. How much smaller in diameter is your coin?
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That is interesting. You would think that if it is a counterfeit from the 1840s it would have been confused with a Half Cent which weighs about the same(5.44 grams). A Half Cent is only 4 mm. smaller than a large cent. How much smaller in diameter is your coin?



The coin is about 26mm

Half Cent 23.5mm
Cent 27.5mm

I understand what your saying about the Half Cent being close to the same weight. And would not be surprised if it was a modern fake.

My thoughts on a modern fake, why not make it the right size and weight, seems like you would if you are trying to pass it off as a collectable large cent.
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That would make sense to me. This coin is sort of in "no man's land" as far as weight and diameter.
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So. Weird.
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Might it be genuine, but soaked in acid?
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I was thinking the same thing p. It has all the tell tale signs of being a genuine LC.
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Looks genuine to me as well.
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Tried to get a close up pic.

What acid could be used and leave the coin ... smooth?

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In looking at the close-up in the post above, there is a ridge along the edge along the top of the obverse that is more reminiscent of coins struck with a collar, and which I can't recall seeing on any of my large cents which I believe were struck without a collar. This would imply a fake and not an acid dipped coin.

With regards to acid, nitric acid will dissolve copper as I recall from my days of cleaning native copper samples here in Michigan. That would not leave such a smooth surface though. The surface looks genuinely circulated with appropriate little hits. Overall, I would guess some kind of contemporary counterfeit.
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