2009 DC Daniel Carr Silver Eagle Proofed/Overstrike

This is a hot topic. This thread might get dangerous!

I was hoping members will just give their opinions, without getting mean ..


I am thinking it should be easy to post .. I like them or don't like them .. and why?

I also find it pretty funny that it says "AUTHENTIC" and "ORIGINAL" on the hologram on the back of the slab!

I know this. The fact that a genuine coin has been used as a planchet is utterly, utterly irrelevant, as irrelevant as the fact that he uses an ex-US-mint press to make them. The past history of the silver has no bearing on its present form. The original coin has been completely destroyed by the overstriking process; the fact that is now bears a "DC mintmark" is proof of this. The original artwork has been destroyed (therefore destroying the coin) and replaced with something that looks almost identical - a fake coin.

Put it this way: if he had taken the ASE, melted it down, rolled it and stamped it into a new, fresh blank silver round and then used his fake coin dies to stamp it, it would be unquestionably counterfeit. If it didn't have the "DC mintmark" on it and it just turned up on ebay, everyone would be howling about how terrible it is that these fake Chinese coins are still turning up, because everyone would assume that it was just another Chinese fake. Does this mean that Chinese fakes are OK, so long as they've got a little tiny countermark on them, and as long as the Chinese declare they are fake when they sell them?


Again, irrelevant. A "fantasy" is a coin whose entire design never existed, not just the date/mintmark combination or (even worse) in this case, the method of striking.

Look at it this way. You can take a normal ASE, proof or not, to the bank and they'll give you $1 for it. You'd be a fool to do so unless the silver price collapses, but you can do it. You take a Chinese counterfeit $1 coin to the bank and, if they're unobservant, they'll give you $1 for it, too. But you'll have committed a crime, passing counterfeit money. Now if you take Mr Carr's coin out of its pretty holder that declares it to be a fake coin and take it to the bank, what will happen? It's not legal tender, even though it very closely resembles a legal tender coin. They might spot that it's fake, they might not and give you $1 for it, even though they should not. It is, therefore, a counterfeit.


I think rather you'll find that they have not yet been tested in court.

Mr Carr is deliberately and premeditatedly making "coins" that are almost, but not quite entirely, obvious counterfeits. I can only assume one of his motivations for doing this is to have the current counterfeiting laws tested in court.

So, I make $20 bills with a series year that never existed and put a DC on it. All is good. Good to know I won't get in trouble for this since its fantasy currency.

I still lean to this in no way a counterfeit coin.

It is still a 2009 silver eagle.

If I took a 2009 silver eagle and polished the fields to make it look proof like .... it would still be a silver eagle .. but polished.

If I stamped DC on one .. it would still be a 2009 silver eagle. And I could still spend it legally as a dollar.

I could write my name on it ...


Like this one .. and it is still a silver dollar.

SAP .. I respect your opinion .. but can not agree this is a counterfeit coin .. or fake like coins coming from China.

The more I've thought about Carr the more I've kind of reversed my position on what he does. He creates things that never were, while thats certainly pushing the line at some point a buyer has to take some responsibility for the most basic of research before making a purchase if theyre thinking this is an ultrararity from the mint. He put his initials on this one which I like and think he should keep doing which leaves no question as to his intentions of making a conversation piece.

I do prefer these to be graded when sold completely eliminating any chance someone is trying to be deceptive, but overall he has some very pretty designs on some of his fantasy pieces.




Yea if they were actually being up front about it and had them mint marked from coins that never actually existed in the first place they could make as many as they wanted.

It literally takes 90 seconds to pull up numismedia or a price guide and see a list of what was actually made.




If youve deposited a lot of bills in the bank in your life time youve almost certainly deposited a fake bill at some point. Same goes for using cash a lot.

But again these are clearly things that shouldnt exist especially with the added mint marks. Its not like its a minor chance to a one dollar bill no one would ever look for. Its something that literally never circulates and is almost assured to be stolen if spent at face value in the first place.