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I have a chance to buy these, the guy swears they came out of an old collection and they are genuine (he did bring me some slabbed coins and has thousands of coins) but I am suspicious. I hope these pictures serve well enough to show what I think are indicators of CF coins. 1909S - What to you are the indicators of CF or genuine?    1860 Indian in about MS64   This guy has a massive collection and I wanna do right by him so I now share these pictures with the experts for a 2nd opinion. mlgdave |
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United States
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I would be suspicious of the 1909s also, the mint mark immediately jumped out at me.
The only thing I see off about the indian is that the denticles look a little weird but I don't think it necessarily means it's fake.
Btw that's a nice indian! If it's real
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Rest in Peace
United States
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The S is worn and flat while the date is thin and crisp, interesting
The Indian 1860 looks too good to be true. Check the diamonds not evenly worn?
Lets see what the other members think.
Migdave, hope they are real.
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
10743 Posts |
They both look fake to me, the 1909S has an added mint mark and the 1860 looks like a Chinese copy.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1431 Posts |
Even if it's real, the 1860 has definitely been cleaned
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2373 Posts |
Both fakes. Buyer beware. nlp
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Valued Member
United States
53 Posts |
Agreed - both look fake. The "s" is a mess on the Lincoln. The 1860 looks OK on first glance but has a lot of signs - the most troubling is the roughness of the background between the wreath and the rims on the reverse - especially around the shield. Thanks for posting these - fakes these days are getting very good and sophisticated.
BTW - did you check the weights?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Also, what's with the dot at the ribbons of the wreath?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
716 Posts |
What troubles me on the IHC is the base of the letters of 'AMERI' in AMERICA, for lack of a better term they look indented. On all IHC I have ever seen the bases of the letters are basically flat. |
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Korea, Republic Of
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The 1909SVDB has an added MM, and the 1860 just doesn't look "right"...
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Thanks everyone, might make a coin guy outa me yet. I didnt think they were genuine and just needed a few more eyeballs and opinions. I agree the MM is added on the 1909 and the 1860 is too clean and the letters and flaws (the owner says they are die errors) are IMO not die errors, they are die flaws in the CF die
mlgdave
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I like that 09S. Sort of would make a collector's item as one of the funniest fakes in a fake collection.
There are those that collect counterfeits. Wonder what they'd pay for that 09S.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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It almost looks like they soldered on an "S" from a 1926 cent, such as below. Although the whole coin looks off. On the IHC, counterfeiters often mess up the date. That detail looks generally right--the distortion could be metal flow due to the off-center.  But I'm hardly an expert on errors.  Edited by DVCollector
04/23/2014 01:23 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It's interesting that there is even some Longacre doubling on the reverse of the IHC. Very deceptive if this is truly a counterfeit. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2757 Posts |
The bases of AME in AMERICA are wavy. I had to do a double take, but can't remember ever seeing this on a genuine IHC. anyone else? |
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United States
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The wavy bases could be due to metal flow if the collar wasn't completely around the coin.
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