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Are There "In Betwen" Grades?

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 Posted 05/20/2014  6:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add wolfman-11 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am wondering about the numbers between the standard grades, if there are any or not.

Many of the charts will list:

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(VF-20) Very Fine - Moderately worn, with some finer details remaining. All letters of LIBERTY, (if present,) should be readable. Full, clean rims.

(EF-40) Extremely Fine - Lightly worn; all devices are clear, major devices bold.

(AU-50) About Uncirculated - Slight traces of wear on high points; may have contact marks and little eye appeal.


Are the numbers the top or the bottom of the grade?
Is there a 25? If so would it be VF-25 or EF-25?
The same is for 49, is It a low AU or a high EF?

I have not found any complete listing and ask if anyone can direct me.
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 Posted 05/20/2014  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Matteproof to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They are the bottom of the grade. The whole sheldon scale is:
PO-01, FR-02, AG-03, G-04, G-06, VG-08, VG-10, F-12, F-15, VF-20, VF-25, VF-30, VF-35, XF(EF)-40, XF(EF)-45, AU-50, AU-55, AU-58, MS-60~70.
There are no grades like 59 or 43; there are no grades between the grades listed above.
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I think certain grades, themselves are mid point grades, such as AU 58, EF 40, MS 61. When you think back to grading methods before certifications, there was AU Almost Uncirculated (now 50), then MS Mint State (now 60).
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there are in betweens to describe a coin that is better than a grade but not good enough to make the next grade
Ex: a vf coin that Is too nice for vf 20 but not good enough to make the next grade of ef 40 would be vf 30.

all grades fron lowest to best are below, I think they all exist :p

poor 1,fair 2, almost good 3,good 4,good 6, very good 8,very good 10, fine 12,fine 15, very fine 20,very fine 25,very fine 30,very fine 35 I think,ef 40,ef 45,au 50,au 53,au 55,au58, ms 60,61,62...70

hope this helped.
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darn! when I started responding there were no replies, man I'm a slow typer !
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I agree with the above.
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@Matteproof, you forgot AU-53

@thedollarman, yes, they all exist

Sometimes I wish there was a grade 11 though...
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Interesting, I asked because I saw elsewhere.

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"would grade it a vf 18 worth"

and then the reply..

"There is no VF-18.
Either VF-20 or F-18."


So I tried to find a complete number chart, and never found an 18.
I have seen VF+ which I guess is better than 20 but not as nice as 25?
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All grades exist, from 1 right through to 70, and everything in between.
Circulated coins do not wear in discrete amounts. Lustre, quality of strike etc. of minstate coins cannot be measured in discrete amounts. A coins grade is actually a point on an infinite continuum.
Collectors and dealers have had to set benchmarks along this continuum so that we can have meaningful price points and reasonable discussion of condition.

"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 05/20/2014  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PCGS recently added a plus symbol to some grading like ms 64 +, and NGC added a star symbol
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Thank you.
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Note too that certain in between grades such as VF-25, VF-35, AU-53 and MS-61 are used by American TPGs, but generally not by ICCS/CCCS on Canadian coins.
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technical grades are just that, technical grades. a good guide but eye appeal trumps all.
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 Posted 05/24/2014  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wolfman-11 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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eye appeal trumps all


I can agree with that.
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