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1896 S $20 Double Eagle Grade?

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Just got this back from NGC and was surprised at the grade a little. Anyone want to take a stab? I will post actual in a few days/weeks


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 Posted 06/03/2014  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cruisinfusion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful coin! I would grade it MS-63, but since you say you're a bit surprised, I guess NGC gave it a 64.
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You said that you were surprised at the grade, so my guess is MS-65.
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I'm not that up on gold grades but from what I've seen that is easy 65.
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Ms-64?, when you say surprised is it in a good or bad way?
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I'd kind-of surprised if that came back as AG-03.
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MS-64 or 65!
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I'm gonnah guess MS-63.
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MS-64?

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Looks like a minimum of MS64 maybe even with a * star designation. I could see this hitting a MS65, luster looks great, lack of any real hits (from the small photos posted), why I do see looks more like luster breaks than anything.
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MS65
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This is a tough date above MS63 and a rarity in 65. I would have guessed MS64 based on the images alone and not withstanding the Pop Reports. Based on what you and others have posted my guess is they went conservative and graded it 63+.
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MS64
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Since you were surprised, I will guess MS-62

I am in no way qualified to even guess a grade other than MS so I will just
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MS-64 with a good shot at a 65.
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And NGC says...........MS 63.

When I sent this in I thought for sure a 64, maybe a shot at a 65 (which would make it a 20k coin) It has great luster and what marks it has are light merely breaking the luster. No major gouges at all. Well struck with all the stars full and bold lines in them. When I compare it to other 64's of this date on Heritage it compares very favorably, even better than some. When compared to some 63's on heritage it is waaaaay better. I sent this in with 5 other coins that I feel were all harshly graded. --
An 1819 Half that has really nice luster that I felt was a 55-58----given a 53.
An 1875 half that I talk about in another forum that everyone agrees was undergraded
A 1837 Half Dime that should have been au 50 but was XF 45
and two others that I thought were spot on.
So did I catch them on a bad day?
Are they harder on small time collectors than on big dealers?

I understand with the 1896 S above that they need to be conservative because of the price jump, but I really feel this coin deserves a 64. And apparently the forum agrees. I guess I will just resend in my next submission ray and see what happens (or maybe to PCGS to experiment a little)

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