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 Posted 07/22/2014  07:41 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add carnold744 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have a question that has really been bugging me lately.

Why, when anyone refers to cents as pennies, do they get crucified and looked down upon on here, yet it's completely accepted to call a five-cent piece a nickel?

The reason everyone gets so up in arms over cent/penny is because the coin says cent and not penny. Well the same is true for a nickel. It doesn't actually say nickel on it.

It just seems like a really odd double standard. Personally, I don't see the big deal at all with just calling them pennies and nickels. Those are by far the most widely accepted nomenclature. Hell, even the US Mint calls them pennies and nickels. If they call them that, who is a coin collector to say they are wrong?

That's just my little rant that has been building up after reading this forum for a few months.
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I demand everyone uses "One one hundredth of an United States of America Dollar" for those coins you commoners call "cents" or pennies".
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 Posted 07/22/2014  08:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AlbumAccumulator to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I demand everyone uses "One one hundredth of an United States of America Dollar" for those coins you commoners call "cents" or pennies".


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 Posted 07/22/2014  08:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One reason is that a "penny" IS a real face value for a coin.
And that IS NOT the face value of the US coin.
The term penny is just a holdover from the days when the US was a British colony.

The term "nickel" does not suffer from that.
It's just a reference to one of the coining metals used in its production.
Strictly speaking of course it's a "5 cent" coin.
But to the best of my knowledge there is no other world coin known as a nickel.
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 Posted 07/22/2014  08:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carnold744 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So you're mad that that we took the term from another country? So what? Pretty much every single term we use was originated in another country at one point in time.

It just blows my mind how up in arms the coin collecting community gets when someone calls a cent a penny. Seriously, who cares?
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 Posted 07/22/2014  09:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Subject comes a lot on coin forums. Just some people get all irritated about one thing or another. Same people don't complain about Saw Buck, Fin for five, 2 bits for quarter, bill for paper currency, etc. Note it does not say BILL on a dollar bill. Does not say 2 bits on a Quarter. And why does it not say 10 Cents on a Dime? Shouldn't it say 10 CENTS or 10 PENNIES? Penny for Cents is just a massively used term all over the USA. Not long ago there was a series of songs listed using the term PENNIES, not CENTS. Just try singing CENTS FROM HEAVEN. It just makes good CENTS to call a PENNY a PENNY.
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 Posted 07/22/2014  09:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carnold744 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To me, it just seems like a way for coin collectors to show what vastly superior intellect they have when it comes to the hobby of coin collecting. It shows that they are above calling it a "penny" like the common man does, because they are a TRUE numismatist and know the REAL name for the coin!
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 Posted 07/22/2014  10:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denco7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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It just blows my mind how up in arms the coin collecting community gets when someone calls a cent a penny. Seriously, who cares?


Because it is accurate, it is not a penny, it is a cent. Most people here would call themselves numismatists, and as a field of study, accuracy is essential, accuracy in attribution, accuracy in grading, accuracy in assigning the correct VAM, die pair, mint error.

Accuracy is essential to value (not just monetary). In 1866 when the five cent piece first became made of nickel, there was already a five cent piece or " Half Disme" and it was still minted through 1873, so the designation of a " nickel" was an accurate way of distinquishing between the two and it stuck as an acceptable form, in numismatics, of referring to a five cent piece.

Bottom line is many..many people around here consider themselves numismatists, not just "collectors"
You can't expect to walk in to a group of astronomers and start talking about the planet Pluto, without expecting to be corrected that, Pluto is not a planet.
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 Posted 07/22/2014  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Matteproof to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well said, denco7!

I consider calling "Pennies" as "Cents" in the coin collecting world as an indirect way of saying that "I am a serious numismatist that knows the right terminology."

If you go to a coin store or a show and ask for a selection of mid-grade "Braided Hair Pennies" or "Indian Head Pennies" to take a look at, you are indirectly revealing your lack of experience/ knowledge in the hobby.

Outside the numismatic community, I'd say calling Pennies as Cents is a "secret handshake" between numismatists. So you will know that one is a numismatist when he/she asks for a box/roll of cents at a bank.
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07/22/2014 11:19 am
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Kanga, to make a bit of a point there is a small - ish country a bit north of the 49th parallel, our 5 cent coin is called the Nickel and was made of pure nickel upto 1981. up here in the great white north we are not so picky about the terminology we call our cents pennies, and our 5 cents nickels.
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 Posted 07/22/2014  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carnold744 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Pluto comparison is a bad one. NASA itself says that Pluto isn't a planet. The US Mint refers to our one cent coin as a penny. Who is the coin collecting community to say they are wrong?
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The US Mint refers to our one cent coin as a penny. Who is the coin collecting community to say they are wrong


The US Mint are gov't manufacturers, not numismatists. That is like saying that "Boeing says they are building a satellite to go to the planet Pluto", so despite what NASA and IAU says, Pluto must be a planet.

Tell me the ANA calls it a penny and then I will be on board.
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07/22/2014 11:49 am
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Still a bad comparison. Boeing has nothing to do with Pluto other than building the ship that goes there. That would of course give them no say in how to define Pluto. The US Mint actually manufacturers the item in question. How does the ANA have more of a right than them to define it?

And for the record, I'm not saying anyone is wrong to call it a cent. That's perfectly fine. My problem is with how people who refer to it by the more well known nomenclature are so looked down upon by the coin collecting community.
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It's not the US Mint that decided to call them pennies. Their official name has been a one-cent piece since the start of the US Mint.

It's because of the non-collecting citizens of the United States of America. Americans kept calling a copper coin with a face value of "1" a penny even after the British colonization, and it got to a point where Americans forgot their official name and the nickname stuck.

Because most Americans can't understand what a "cent" or a "one cent piece" is, the US Mint has to call it by its nickname. Poor US Mint.
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 Posted 07/22/2014  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carnold744 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Words and terminology evolve. It happens. If the VAST majority of the population calls an item something and it sticks for a long time, then that becomes the correct name for it. Once again, I'm not saying cent is incorrect, just that either one should be perfectly acceptable.
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 Posted 07/22/2014  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Matteproof to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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My problem is with how people who refer to it by the more well known nomenclature are so looked down upon by the coin collecting community.

Because calling them cents is the official, shorter way of reffering to the one-cent piece than saying pennies.

Just like math. You can call rhombuses diamonds when you are outside math class, just talking causually. But, when you are sitting in front of a math professor in a geometry class, you know that you will get looks from your colleagues and teacher for calling a rhombus a diamond, when you know the official mathematic term & the official term is used by all the others.

When you are in a specialized group, it's necessary to use the "official" term for an object, even though there is a more casual way of saying it. Also a good way to show that you are educated & experienced about the topic.
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