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When it comes to the multi-coin sets the mint is producing such as the recent Kennedy 50th silver set, or the various ASE sets over the last few years, would you consider it wrong to order five sets and cherry pick from them to compose the best single set you can and then return the rest? Heck, this would even apply to single coins...order a bunch and keep only the best one and return the others...thoughts? Edited by unholyroller
11/11/2014 09:52 am
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I ordered a bunch (for me anyway) of Kennedy sets with the intention of keeping them all.
I found it really dumb to send back a whole set when there was an issue with only one coin in that set.
I ended up replacing the problem coin with a decent one and kind of putting all the crap coins into the same sets. Those sets I returned.
So in the end there were actually less returned sets and those I did return mostly contained all appropriate coins with issues.
That's just my opinion and what I did
I should add that going through 5 sets just to get one good set IS a bit extreme...but...a choice on the return slip for why you returned the coins is "Changed my mind" so I guess it's extreme but still appropriate.
Edited by Foxwoods Man
11/11/2014 09:54 am
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I think as long as the coins are not taken out of their airtites, cherrypick away.
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would you consider it wrong to order five sets and cherry pick from them to compose the best single set you can and then return the rest? Wrong?I don't know, but it is a fairly common practice. (And I don't mean just examining the sets and keeping the nicest one, I mean moving coins between sets to create the nicest one and then sending the rest back.) |
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I ask because my gut tells me it is devious. To make a business go through the effort of manufacturing, packaging, managing, and shipping product with a deceptive intent of only intending to keep one unit feels dishonest. To me, when you order something, it is a contract where by you agree to the seller that you intent is to keep what you order. I am totally OK with returning all five sets (per my example) as long as you take five replacements in turn. I can think of countless other examples where it makes it more stark, such as asking a painter to paint you five large paintings, but in the end only keeping one and only paying for one. The artist went through a lot of effort and cost but isn't rewarded in fair fashion.
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New Member
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For the guilty conscious: why not make your hand-picked set and then sell/gift the rest?
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Pillar of the Community
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I believe the Mint should NOT have the option of "Changed my mind" and yes, I believe it is unethical to order multiple sets and then switch the coins around to get as many "good" sets as possible and returning the rest. If a set has one or more defective coins in it the entire unaltered set should go back.
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I think that if there is an obvious defect, it should most certainly be returned. Outside of that, returns probably aren't that kosher.
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Life's too short for this to be a cause for panic.
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These are collector sets. The value (and collector cost) of these sets goes far ..... far beyond the intrinsic(silver value) value of these coins. And we all know that investment/collector value of this set has 100% to due with condition.
To me, it is entirely the responsibility of the Mint to make sure that quality control of a set like this, where the silver value is only $24, benefits the collector and do everything possible to maximize the collector value. This is not a mint/proof set, where the mint is just trying to cover manufacturing costs.
Is it perfectly acceptable for the mint, do to lax manufacturing standards/quality control, to send out scratched/smudged/marred coins in scratched airtites at full price, but unethical for the collector to protect him/her self and their investment by cherry picking only highest quality coins and sending the rest back, even though no one set is beyond reproach and the highest quality coins may come from different sets?
I don't know ? Is it ?
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Unethical, but collectors do it all the time by cherrypicking. However, the Mint compromised the issue by pricing the set out of reach of those willing to keep the rejects with whatever slight "imperfections." I'd only return the set if ALL four coins had issues, one coin might not be that big a deal especially if it's the Denver issue with their spotty QC record. I'm a believer whatever goes around comes back around, or ultimate karma, and we all know that vengeful karma can be a... The silver coins seem to be better produced than the the 2-coin clad set. Those were returned because of the household limit.
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I wouldn't want people to do that to me if I was a seller, so I think the golden (or silver  ) rule applies |
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As "collector sets", the 4 coin silver and the 2 coin clad standards SHOULD be higher than business strike.
The quality is NOT what it should be.
So, to answer the original question, is it ethical to buy multiples and pick the best for a "collector's set"....yes....that is what we do.
Return if the quality of the "collector sets" is NOT what it should be, to the manufacturer...in this case, the mint.
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If these are sets bought from a dealer, I wouldn't do it. If they were purchased from the mint I encourage it. In my opinion, especially considering the price of these sets, they should pulling out the bad ones BEFORE they ship them to you.
This just applies to coins with visible defects, not because you got a set with 67 and 68 couns and you wanted 69 and 70.
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I do not think their is anything wrong with returning items that are not of the quality they should be (or were advertised to be). If someone has to "mix and match" sets in order to make a set that is in the condition they all should have initially been in, so be it.
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So, if I could make two good sets out of five ordered, and then return only three, that would be a bad thing. So I have to return ALL FIVE under that line of thinking. That just makes no sense. The sets being returned are sub par and deserve being returned. I am returning my set because one coin is marred. If I had been able to order a second set, and that one had a different coin marred, I would swap out and send back the one with no qualms at all. Better than sending back both.
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