Fake Fake Fake!! Auction Stitched Me Up

If the auction house is reputable you have hope. If not a lesson is learned I guess.! Tough one but this Chinese stuff is everywhere.

Would like to see the original listing before making a comment.

White metal is in Uk a term used to mean its white metal. could be silver might be anythiung. un-hallmarked silver normally gets that attribute so it is nothing out of the ordinary. The Original description I put up above in my original post. White Metal Coin/Medal EST £20-£30. It is not a coin neither is it a medal. It is a counterfeit item made solely to decieve. It is their job to make sure an item is genuine. If it was a painting signed L.S.Lowery I am sure they woulkdn't describe it as Painting signed L.S.Lowery. That in itself is a bogus claim to provoke an interest.More and more I see this kind of thing . Plus the fact there 5 bidders. Another bit of advice do not leave bids. They ramp them up with phantom bidders. like mr and mrs wall. Just means at the back of the room. Wow really nobody at the front. Well of course not you could see them at the front.

Personally I'm afraid that it said a lot if it wasn't described as an "1833 1 Rouble"

"White metal" suggests to me that it's not silver. I'd be interested to hear if you have any luck getting your money back. But I wouldn't hold out much hope ..

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Well in Europe, white metal means anything else but silver = definitely not silver.

Pewter, a copper-nickel alloy (german silver) or lead might be described as white metal.

Still if a seller sells a rouble, which is definitely a reproduction just by describing
it as white metal rouble then he might have to live with the accusation of a misleading
description, which seems to be the case here, unless the buyer knew exactly what was ment
with white metal (if the seller thought, that it is logical, that the coin is not original
once he says, that it is not made of silver).

The fact, that white metal (aluminum, cu-ni, lead) is often used for the striking of patterns
makes a description of a fake as a white metal even more misleading, if the low estimate was not there.

Personally I do not believe, that any serious auction house would sell a coin like that by intention.

It must have been some sort of a mistake or misunderstanding.

PS: Please do not forget, that there are also reputable sellers on ebay. :)

paxbrit: You seem to miss the point, this thing did not happened on ebay!

Hi guys thanks for the replies. What really annoys me is that for online bidders these auction houses have a duty to inform us of what we would see ourselves if we were there at the auction. I know for 100% I would never of bid for it had I seen the item. Otherwise Its just tant amount to fraud. Giving barest details as Pax said to mlk money in. I spoke to the auctioneers and he said "I never said it was real or anything other than a white Medal/Coin. Which I reminded him actually it is neither. As both would be sanctioned by the minting houses. Or if privately made carry an R in a circle for replica or COPY stamped on it. So by even your description it is wrong. it's an item made by counterfitters to do one thing!Decieve!!
I spoke to credit card company and they said to get it verified as a fake on headed paper by an expert. They were pretty upbeat. Echoing what most of you said. The auctioneer Knew it was fake and all the get out clauses in the world which they use will not save him on this occasion. Lets hope so. @ Coinworldtv. Yes I know there are many decent sellers on ebay. Just that there are too many bad ones and they seem to never get removed. Like these dino-lite type and I use the term Like loosely digicamerascopes. Whilst I have seen pics from dino-Light and seems a pretty impressive item. These look-a-likes from £2.99-£49.99 are complete and utter trash. All are made wrong camera view places object ipside-down and 45 degree rotated. Zoom isn't 50x-800x as you would think. The x50 is there but the x800 is when you take the snapshot from 2mp-20mp. So your blowing up a view from X50 mag. Which is totally different from looking at something x800. All the loupe' have casts on them. i'll let you know the outcome once the blob of metal comes back frooooom being fakeyfied

I'm not surprised that an auction house passed on a fake. It happens more often than one thinks. Just like gradeflation or forgetting to mention a small defect on one of their lots. Auction houses, in their defense usually are squeezed for time building their next auction session, cataloging, listing, setting prices and generally organising the event that much of what should be default is skated over quickly. Mistakes are made, but that shouldn't hold you back from participating in auctions. When the mistake is found, a reputable auction house should give your money back once you return the coin. Similar situations have occurred to me related to poor descriptions and I can say they, the auction houses, have always refunded my money after returning the coin.