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It appears to me that this guy (100% positive feedback) is trying to sell an 1884 coin with a certificate for an 1882 coin. (Note the first 2 numbers of the COA). He even has the "original" mail order packaging. I was under the impression that all GSA issues bear a certification number that begins directly corresponding to the year minted. Am I missing something here? http://www.ebay.com/itm/261777437006Edited by CopperCastle
02/14/2015 03:16 am
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Your link doesn't really go anywhere 
is it already gone? |
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Sorry about that, I fixed the link :p
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Coin looks good but he probably doesn't know the certificates the GSA issued are tied to the date, I'm not worried about the coin at all. I have a GSA 1878-CC VAM-11 (Lines in Wings Top 100) that I got in only the plastic case, since then I've acquired an original box for it but no certificate yet. Back many years ago we used to throw out the certificates and boxes by the bagful when cracking the GSA CC dollars out for TPG submissions, had no idea someday they would be worth money on their own right, "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Coins probably good, certificate is probably good (there are fake certificates) they just don't belong together.
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I know these things get split up on occasion, I purchased the box & cert separately from my 2012 SF Proof Eagle set. It just seems odd that the original mailing is also bundled in this lot when it's not "original" at all.
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He probably had two and inadvertently swapped them ?!?
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Coin looks ok. Main thing with a GSA is to examine the holder itself, making sure there is no tampering along the seam of it. This goes especially for 1878-CC, 1890-CC and 1891-CC GSA's. There are folks out there who try to re-holder those coins to get the "plastic profit" from it.
Certs from these coins are often missing or are incorrect. On a common 1884-CC it really doesn't matter price wise. It may matter a bit on the rarer GSA's, but I have stayed away from those since I don't want to pay a "plastic premium".
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02/14/2015 11:55 am
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CopperCastle, did you tell this seller his certificate did not match the coin? Did you ask the seller if he had the correct certificate? If no to either of these two questions, why did you not do that. It would have taken the same amount of time to ask the seller himself than to start a new thread here and get responses that have done nothing to definitively explain why the certificate does not match. Perhaps it was as mentioned by BStrauss3 he had simply inadvertently switched two certificates.
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CopperCastle, did you tell this seller his certificate did not match the coin? Did you ask the seller if he had the correct certificate? If no to either of these two questions, why did you not do that. It would have taken the same amount of time to ask the seller himself than to start a new thread here and get responses that have done nothing to definitively explain why the certificate does not match. Perhaps it was as mentioned by BStrauss3 he had simply inadvertently switched two certificates.  |
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One of the fake GSA Morgans is on my want list for this year. :-)
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1890 and 1891-CC are your best bets, Steve. I have been told by a couple of dealers to stay away from those two GSA's, due to re-holdering. The real trifecta for you would be to find a GSA holdered Chinese counterfeit 1891-CC. I somehow have a feeling they exist.  Edited by DoubleEagle20
02/14/2015 2:04 pm
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CopperCastle, did you tell this seller his certificate did not match the coin? Did you ask the seller if he had the correct certificate? Of coarse I did, on both instances. I received his reply today. He thanked me for the information, said he received the item as a "gift" & unfortunately already sold said item before he could add the new information. He was very pleasant. |
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Quote:I think a thread like this is worthwhile, because not every one of these is necessarily legit, and sooner or later (if not already) the bogus ones are going to show up on ebay. See: http://www.ngccoin.com/news/viewart...-dollar-fake the holder described in the ngc artcle reminds me of the thread we had up a year ago or so regarding fake GSA's. which ended up with Secret Service raiding a house up in the North East I think it was... found it: https://goccf.com/t/161173Edited by epikur
02/14/2015 3:31 pm
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I, for one, must say thanks to CopperCastle for posting this thread.
I've always wanted to own at least one GSA. It will probably happen between the finishing of one album and the beginning of the next.
I now have some more knowledge about them when going to purchase one. (The certificates, being reholdered, and the possible counterfeits)
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