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Cheers Don
Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut.
"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
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One thing that amazes me is the total fascination Canadian collectors have with even the most minimal anomaly found in Canadian coins. I have a theory on this and am sure to get blasted but here goes. Quite frankly with the exception of a few issues , large cents come to mind, Canadian coins are downright boring! From 1870- 1936 they all look the same and there are not that many REAL varieties . From 1937 on to the end of silver coins in 1968 Downright plain vanilla. Ok I am ready to hear it  . |
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That's a reasonable theory Pacific. One thing I've also noticed is that Canadians collect predominately Canadian coins. I do significantly more (per capita) foreign coin sales into the US vs Canada.
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One thing that amazes me is the total fascination Canadian collectors have with even the most minimal anomaly found in Canadian coins. I have a theory on this and am sure to get blasted but here goes. Quite frankly with the exception of a few issues , large cents come to mind, Canadian coins are downright boring! Na..Na..Na..!! I've always enjoyed finding something different in Canadian coins,..starting with the dollars back in the 60's. Now this hard working interesting mix of 59'ers got things going in the large cents..and 55 years later I'm really hooked again.. Part of the fun here is the interplay of personalities at shows and bar/table coin chats.. For me it's the social and tremendous info that pours out of these round table discussions. For me it's a hobby and it's got to be fun. ...and I love the design of the Vicky large cents..definitely not boring to me.. If it's a business,..then the parameters change..(the squeeze is always on) . . Edited by DEVLEC
03/01/2015 8:52 pm
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Coinhunter surprisingly much the same with us. However better Newfoundland coins end up in the states go figure!
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JHax said it for me Quote:
but seeing less time ahead of me than has already passed Thats one of the reasons why an old buzzard newbie like myself is not to interested in a never ending variety quest. Basically I'm happy just seeing pics of the gems its like looking back in time. Maybe a coinopoly game played country wide might arouse more interest, if you think about it something like that would be fun could bend in a lot of directions. Incorporate all those years of hard work by all, into a fun to play game and sick the gamers on it for perfections. Just some chatter..  ..from left field |
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Someone hit a very interesting point.
Variety valuations should be left out of any guide altogether. A rarity scale, perhaps. But not valuations.
The market will ultimately decide.
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I strongly agree with William that the proposed variety catalog should not contain valuations. Rarities are OK, provided the Introduction covers the factors that combine to determine the "value" of a variety.
Perhaps I'm making an obvious point here, but it's important to keep in mind that my 1859 cent catalog (and other year catalogs to come), as well as Rob's 1858, 1859/8, 1890, 1891 and 1892 catalogs, are not just variety catalogs. They're die studies, with every die we know of included. Some are strawberry supreme and others are definitely vanilla. All get equal billing. A variety overview catalog is something entirely different. Vanilla is not a popular flavor there.
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03/01/2015 9:32 pm
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Variety valuations should be left out of any guide altogether. A rarity scale, perhaps. But not valuations.
When we got together to form the 5centscanada.ca forum, we decided that was the route that we would take. But believe me it is hard work to properly attribute a rarity scale. Don't forget that a rare variety today may not be so rare when people knows about it and finds them in their collections. Both valuations and rarity scales can co-exist, valuations determines the base value of a coin at various grades and the rarity determines the premium (multiplication rate) added to the base value regardless of grade (since it is already accounted for in the valuation scale). Edited by numidan
03/02/2015 09:20 am
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It takes a large population pile or combinations from a group to figure out any kind of scarcity estimates. When the group got together for the Vicky Large Cents, they knew that they were going to create a reference that would essentially end the cherry-pickin for the group because the combined knowledge was now out for all readers to see. It has taken a few years since then and the variety section (not just for the large cents, but for the back-of-the-book denominations that followed) has made many more collectors and dealers aware of what was unknown before. Most active dealers now take a closer look at what they auction or ebay or put in their display cases. Many more fairly scarce examples statred to show up when collectors went through their piles, not just Large Cents, but dollars and 5 cents as well. It has leveled the playing field for variety collectors somewhat with many more pairs of eyes looking for what is in one of the Charlton books, Trends or publications/websites. Cherry-picking and low-hanging fruit will be less and less the case if new 'expanded' guides come out. |
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It seems to me that this would be the kind of project that would work very well under the coinsandcanada website, assuming they were willing to help and host. The site currently lists 40 errors and variety types, which could probably be broken down into 5-6 broad categories and it could be populated using the existing formats and displays. As for approving/including classifications, I would leave that to more the more experienced.
I don't see the problem of variety proliferation going away, but a good weapon in framing/limiting this would be to have a single reference site, as opposed to many separate ones.
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03/02/2015 9:42 pm
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Why do we need a clearinghouse to "approve" varieties. Let the collectors and the market decide.
http://www.victoriancent.com2011 & 2025 Fred Bowman Literary Award Winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson Award Winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca Award Winner. Life Member of RCNA.
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I think that some one should revamp 65th ed from pages 265 with pictures, as it already has a rarity list on the varieties --as a totally separate site or ?
Cheers Don
Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut.
"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
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The hard part of letting the market decide, is the lack of consolidated information and sellers that make stuff up. A vetted site that acts as an accepted reference would be very useful. Having a printed catalog with section updates every 5-10 years and has a limited/arbitrary list is not convenient or accessible for the general collector, especially when so many great resources are already available online. A section on PMD would be useful as well. For pricing and appeal, I would agree the market should decide. |
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Actually, coinsandcanada already has a virtual book. It's on the french counterpart, numicanada. It details what is considered worthwhile for each type (branche) and what is minor(brindille). There's also a list of known coins for each type for different years and denominations. It's a good start to demystify the jungle or varieties. http://numicanada.com/livre.php# |
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