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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The second coin in this listing looks like a cent planchet that has been struck with Kennedy half dollar dies. The seller says it weighs 3.07 grams which would make it copper Is this even possible.Seems like if it was fake the maker would have included a date on the coin. Any opinions & input appreciated http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Old-unusu...391087844431 |
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The seller says it weighs 3.07 grams which would make it copper That it is copper doesn't tell us anything since Kennedy halves contain a pure copper core. I believe what we have here is a regular Kennedy half that has been grinded down a cent-sized copper slug. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If we ground down the kennedy, I doubt the copper core would retain the imprint of the outer layer. I doubt it's legit, but just because of my gut feeling.
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Pillar of the Community
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it strikes me wrong as well, I cant place why though...
Feel free to call me Will.
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I doubt it's legit, but just because of my gut feeling. I feel the same way but It would be interesting to know how it was made |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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My best guess would be some sort of Press and Transfer to try to get the desired effect.
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Valued Member
United States
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It appears the Kennedy obverse is centered while the reverse is shifted to the NE position... Pretty rare for an authentic off metal Kennedy to be struck with misaligned dies... I'm not sure any are even known to exist (misaligned different denomination Kennedy's)... Highly suspicious to say least.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Even the seller says he doesn't like the looks of it.
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Valued Member
United States
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I did a layout in a graphic program and the two sides allign properly for a blank that was not centered between the dies. However, NGC has a Kennedy struck on a cent blank and the design transferred fully and distorted the blank. Also, this seller has a 1943 copper cent for sale.
Joe
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United States
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I'm beginning to see a strange pattern here or maybe just coincidence but look at the last two items the seller has sold. Someone has gotten pretty good at manipulating coins. Not saying it's the seller but red flags are flying
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United States
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One of his other sales is a weakly struck 1943-D copper cent and he states he isn't sure about that one too... That coin (the 1943-d copper) looks like it is still in a return "body bag" from a TPG with a red sticker on it. |
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United States
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IMO it must be a fake from a vise in someones garage. How can a cent planchet remain cylindrical after being struck by a half dollar die? Not to mention the strike is to weak. A die clash will sometimes leave a better design than what's there. I can see someone using a blank cent planchet to try and make one of these.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Probably a cent planchet with a pair of soft dies made from a half dollar. Here is what a real half struck on a cent planchet would look like:  Note the strength of the strike even on a thinner planchet. Note what else he is sellinghttp://www.ebay.com/itm/LQQK-3-Old-...em5b0ea4e6d8On the images of the three coins, note how the 1943 is larger around than the other coins. He is making these coins from soft dies and cent planchets. Edited by coop
03/23/2015 10:52 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Do be honest I am surprised that there was enough material in the cent planchet for it to get that much of the design struck and still be round. I was thinking it would come out more oblong.
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United States
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It is possible for a cent planchet to be weakly struck by half dollar dies if the minimum die clearance is a bit more generous than normal. However, the dubious nature of the seller's other offerings makes it more likely that a genuine cent planchet was struck by counterfeit half dollar dies.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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United States
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Even being this lightly struck the coin should have been out-of-round a bit. I have many here that I struck on cents with larger dies with little design and they are all out of round. These are all experimental pieces that I made while attempting to make a home-press for striking off samples.
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