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Valued Member
Bulgaria
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Hi All! I have a question to collectors from Australia: What taxes and duties must paid in Australia, when a collector from Australia buy an expensive coin shipped insured by mail? For example bronze coin costing $500 or $2000? What taxes and duties must paid in Australia, if sent insured from Europe? Thank you
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Moderator
 Australia
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You do not need to pay any import duties or fill out any extra paperwork for items imported that are worth less than $1000. If it's worth less than that, a coin should ship straight through customs without problems. You don't need to pay GST on imports under $1000, either. Note that those values are in Australian dollars; for goods with quoted values in foreign currencies, they use the Government-gazetted exchange rate tables, calculated on what the official rates were on the day the coins were exported. For coins worth over $1000, you need to fill in an import declaration form B374 Import Declaration (N10) - Post; this piece of paper will cost you a processing fee. The importation of coins themselves is duty free, as noted in Chapter 71 of the working tariff; see this pdf file. They will, however, charge you GST, since coins (except for bullion coins) are not GST-exempt. This is 10% of the declared value. It should be noted that, as I understand it, the $1000 threshold applies to the entire parcel, not the individual items within it. So if you're considering buying multiple coins less than $1000 each from the same source, watch that $1000 limit. If possible, buy them on separate days and get them to ship in separate parcels; the extra they'll charge you for shipping will still probably be less than the 10% GST the Australian government would end up charging you for.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Valued Member
 Bulgaria
474 Posts |
Sap, many thanks! Very useful information. :)
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Valued Member
Australia
134 Posts |
It seems incongruous that if I buy a coin in Australia I don't pay GST on it but if I buy the same coin overseas and have it sent o Australia I pay GST. You can assume I am talking $1000+ coins. It seems even more incongruous if the coin in question is an Australian coin.
I like the way we just quietly accept this .. full cynicism intended.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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I like the way we just quietly accept this .. full cynicism intended. Yes,its wrong,Ebay protested and refused to collect it but eventually backed down. Covid and then the GST stopped NZ 'TradeMe' starting(or at least putting it on hold) a Aust section.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
852 Posts |
Its annoying that I've had to pay GST on pre decimals I've imported. Struck long before GST existed and they are used goods to boot. What's more if a coin is consigned from Australia to an overseas auction house and is then purchased by an Australian then GST is payable to bring it home. Could happen several times that GST is paid on the same coin as it goes through various owners.
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Valued Member
Australia
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In 2018 the Government extended the gst to include imported items with a value of $1000 or less to counter TAX losses arising from the explosion in online shopping on international websites....$70 billion was raised in 2019/20..The government looks after the Silvertails but your average Aussie bloke gets buggered up his sound proof cavity...
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Valued Member
Australia
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I can remember being summoned to the mail centre at Clyde(sydney) in the late 80's to open my parcel of coins from NZ. I had to pay duty on the silver coins, probably only $100 in value. Not sure if that happens nowadays. They made me feel like a criminal, and it took almost all day waiting in line!!!.
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Valued Member
Australia
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And we are asked to pay GST on the buyers premium which forms a part of the declared value. The buyers premium in the US is neither a good or a service in the context of Australian GST. That is just theft by the Government and poor customer service by the service provider. Seriously not impressed.
Heritage Auction (USA) 33. Successful international Bidders shall provide written shipping instructions, including specified customs declarations, to Auctioneer for any lots to be delivered outside of the United States. NOTE: Declaration value shall be the item'(s) hammer price together with its buyer's premium and Auctioneer shall use the correct harmonized code for the lot.
Edited by billenben 03/16/2023 03:19 am
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Valued Member
Australia
134 Posts |
This is the Minister currently responsible for it so I would encourage everyone to spend 10 minutes composing an email and sending it to him because unless we push these people nothing is going to change.
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Moderator
 United States
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@bill, you will see that I have edited your last post a bit. I'm glad you are passionate about this, but please abide by the rules. Thx. Quote: Please do not post your own or others personal information. This includes names, addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, etc. There are robots that scour the internet for personal info.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Valued Member
Australia
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Pardon my objection but we are talking about a public figure whose information (that I posted) is merely a matter of googling it. That information is made available to the public as part of the Assistant Minister's job. The email address you so quickly removed is the one the Parliament give out so members of the public can contact the Assistant Minister.
I would go as far to say it is public information and it is not personal information.
You go too far.
This is the Assistant Minister's contact as given out by the Parliament for members of the public to contact him. I encourage members to contact him letting him know GST on Australian coins is nonsense,
Email address redacted AGAIN.
Edited by billenben 03/18/2023 04:07 am
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Forum Dad
 United States
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Quote: You go too far. No, you just went too far. Not that I owe you an explanation but we do not want to attract the email harvesting robots that scour the internet chewing up bandwidth. Our rules are NOT negotiable and NOT up to you to ignore. When you own your own forum and put in all the time, effort, and money you can run it as you see fit.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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technically the purchase of currency should not be taxed and is illegal to do so, but because you are purchasing it for the purpose of "coin collecting" unless someone want to argue against the Australian federal government in a court case which I doubt, will have to keep on paying the GST (duty) and unless you have an exemption. I hate how government have grey areas and so can apply laws as they see fit, that's what pulled "perth bullion" under sometimes I wonder why government love to shoot them selves in the foot.
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Moderator
 Australia
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Quote: technically the purchase of currency should not be taxed and is illegal to do so... I'm sure that if you pushed them, they would claim that the "currency" component - the face value - should indeed be tax-free, but the bullion premium or collector premium should not be. So for a $25 silver ounce coin with a face value of $1, you'd pay tax on the $24 premium rather than the full $25. Sounds like that would be a Pyrrhic victory: lot of trouble to go through, for very little actual gain.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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