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1733 Mexico 8 Reales Mo-Mf

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Recently my dad passed away. He had 15-20 coins. He wasn't really a collector. They were passed down to him and he kept them. I saw them a few times when I was a kid.

Didn't get a clear shot on the second pic.

Any perspectives?

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I guess I should ask. Anyone know if it's real or fake?
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Also have these.

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First off, welcome.

Regarding the 1733, it looks to be a cast copy (modern forgery) - real specimens are at best very scarce to extremely rare.

With respect to your other coins, some look suspicious, others may be genuine. The best thing to do is to see if a magnet is attracted to any of them, and then take their weight to at least 0.1 gram accuracy.

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Thank you for the welcome and information. In my hands they were cleaned twice. About 20 years ago when I was a teenager and again recently. Forget the first time what I used to clean them. Recently I used salt and vinegar before I checked if they should be even cleaned or not.

I have been checking the edge on the 1733 and haven't seen one like it.

A Senior Numismatist at a top auction house looked at the 1733 and from the pictures said perhaps 600 - 800$.

I feel better about cleaning them though if they are fake.

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Actually have 42 coins. Two 5 cent CDN below were attracted to the magnet. Don't have weighing device.



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I'd strongly recommend you obtain a small digital scale. Many are quite inexpensive (<$10 US) and are readily available through ebay, Amazon, et cetera. Weighing suspect coins will often yield an immediate determination as to authenticity.
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For starters the first coin in your 3rd posting appears to be a Netherlands 5? Gulden, but what from I could tell these were a gold coin, not silver. We will need better pics of the second and fourth coins in the same group, but the rest of the coins in both pics look good.
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The 1733 Pillar dollar is fake to me. The Dutch colonial coins are more likely to be genuine.
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> A Senior Numismatist at a top auction house looked at the 1733 and from the pictures said perhaps 600 - 800$.

Seriously ?
That senior numismat didn't knew that type for sure . and was not even a good authenticator : the edge is clearly wrong, with a central seam from a casting mold .
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"Seriously ?
That senior numismat didn't knew that type for sure . and was not even a good authenticator : the edge is clearly wrong, with a central seam from a casting mold ."


Yes, but to be fair he didn't have the same pictures above to look at. Not that the ones I posted here are any good.

Also he had no edge pic.




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I'll get a scale and try to get proper photos.

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For starters the first coin in your 3rd posting appears to be a Netherlands 5? Gulden, but what from I could tell these were a gold coin, not silver. We will need better pics of the second and fourth coins in the same group, but the rest of the coins in both pics look good.


The are both 3 Gulden

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Well noted. Thanks
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