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Every once in a while a person should evaluate the way they do things.

I find myself doing this in regards to my coin collecting style.
For me being on CCF has pro's and con's. I see some
collectors acquiring some really great coins, and think I
should be getting coins of that same level.

After much thought, I think for me this is not the case.
I need to establish my comfort level and build my collection
the best I can with in that level of collecting.

I feel my comfort level as far as price, is lower level $25
to $35 and upper level mid $200. Of course I could save up
and buy more expensive coins, but when I go out of this
comfort level .. it needs to be for something I really want.

I think next I need to establish what series I really like
and try to put more effort in making those series better.
Instead of trying to do everything/all series.

Morgan dollars seem to be emerging as one of my main series.

But I know I do like a lot of modern coins.

For Morgan's I think I am somewhere are 70 out of 95 coins
for a set. I try to get better grade coins .. but I know as
I get to the harder more expensive coins, I will have to be
happy with getting lower grade, hopefully problem free coins.

The need to buy better coins for my collection, and keeping in my comfort level, had me purchase these coins this week.
They have not arrived yet ... but I am hoping for the best.

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I believe you will be rather happy with your purchases.

From a financial standpoint, the 1883 was a lesser buy than the 1884; you're probably at full retail on that one, but it's a guaranteed-growth issue as long as you do not crack it. The number of original GSA containers lessens each day. It's VAM-8A, with a whole lot of interesting stuff going on for the VAMmer what with the clashing and stuff. I have it at a cheek-limited 63, but with the seller's excellent images I'm surprised that I can't see the obverse neck clash even through the toning. That bears further research in-hand, because that clash should be prominent.

The 1884 is - if I'm reading it right - oddly enough also VAM-8. I reserve the right to change my mind once I see the true nature of the darker "marks" on the face, but I'm hovering between 63 and 64 and the reverse is nice. You're in no financial danger with either.

Funny, isn't it, how we so easily (and correctly) advise newer collectors to decide first what they like and then collect, yet have so much trouble applying it to our own actions.

I think the greater knowledge of experience shows us very good reasons to collect everything, so no one issue stands out since you've learned how to appreciate them all.
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I think the greater knowledge of experience shows us very good reasons to collect everything, so no one issue stands out since you've learned how to appreciate them all.


I understand what your saying.

But for me that ...sometimes is a catch 22.

By trying to collect everything .. without having a unlimited
budget, some areas of quality are going to suffer.

But having a overall knowledge does give you more opportunity to make better purchases.

Maybe the answer is to learn as much as possible ..
make the good buys .. but flip the coins that might
not fit well into your collection .. to fund better
coins that do.

I really need to learn how to sell also .. I am meaning
like ebay .. or online.

Thanks for the opinions on the two GSA Morgans. One of the
reasons I went closer to retail .. is that both are NGC
graded .. and I am hoping the toned 1883 looks better in
hand.

Also .. I did not post what the other end of my comfort
level is.

These I picked up today .. out of junk silver boxes.
(The 1878 .. hard for me to pass up 1878's .. it's a "S")


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I spent sometime today, building a list based on my new way
of looking at my coin purchases.

I think my new way of looking at coin purchases, has helped me build a list that seems much more manageable.

In the past I have just been buying Morgan dollars as I
find them based on price and condition. More recently I
have been thinking of trying for a complete set.

I am curious if others put much thought into planning for
the purchases of coins, for sets they might be trying to
complete?

For me ... Morgan dollars
Not counting varieties and the 1895.
Set has 95 coins.
I have 63 different date/mint, so need 32.

Of those 32
7 common are dates
13 fall well below my comfort level for grades I will be
happy with

That will leave 12, that I will have to decide on what
grade and price level I want to shoot for.


Of course those last 12 will fall into the, longer term,
as far as completing the set.

But having a list like I have put together today, makes
me feel a lot better at about having a chance of completing
this set.
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As our collections mature we find ourselves drawn more and more to examples of higher costs. I have yet to delve into Morgans (other than a year set) but I will someday acquire a cc for the set. I focus on specific sets as of now browsing for an example that will be a fit for my collection. Most often in the past year those additions exceed $300 and topped at $900 at the Portland show where I had a shopping list but only a budget of 1K. I add my yearly mint offerings to maintain my modern sets and avoid silver stacking so my budget is not depleted when a wanted coin comes to market.
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If beginning, stick to one denomination and type only, for example Mercury dimes.
The dime is a good candidate, they are silver, and won't cost you much for examples in reasonable condition.
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GR58- I very much enjoy reading your self-reflective posts on coin collecting. It's interesting to see into the mind of another collector when they "think out loud" on CCF. I'm pretty much in the same boat as you as far as budget goes. The most I have ever spent on a coin was $305. With Morgans, I have 35 left to complete the set, sans the 1895. By staying in my comfort zone on spending this hobby remains just that- a hobby. So far my spending habits have not interfered with paying bills nor has it created a "live paycheck to paycheck" situation. I only focus on 3-4 sets at a time, and I think that is just as important, at least for me it is. I just recently completed my Peace dollar set, so now I'm down to working on Buffalo nickels, Morgans, and keeping my Kennedy half set up-to-date.

My plan is to complete the Buffalo nickel set before I start another one. I can't say that I'm drawn to any other particular series right now. I'm more focused on completing at this point. I'm also having fun upgrading my Ike dollar registry set. For me it's good to have a little variety of classic and modern issues.

Congrats on those CC Morgans. I have yet to get my first CC. Just waiting. . . .
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As our collections mature we find ourselves drawn more and more to examples of higher costs.


Muddler ... I agree ... and think many of us collectors are
in that same situation. We get to the point where we need
just the keys, semi keys or higher grade coins.

For me .. off the top of my head, some examples.
Lincolns - Just need the 1922 no "D" and maybe a upgrade on 14D.
Indian Head cents - need the 1877, 1871 and 1869/69
Indian head nickel - need 1913 "S" and "D" type 2, 1818/7,
1937D 3 leg and a couple semi common
Mercury .. need the 1916D
Liberty head nickel .. need 1885 and 1886

For me .. getting to this point .. where most of my collections
need just the higher priced coins, that fall out of
my comfort range, means I am having to do more planning
for my purchases.
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If beginning, stick to one denomination and type only, for example Mercury dimes


sel_69l
I see some collectors doing what you are suggesting, and
wonder if this might be a good approach.

Some of the collectors have a set/series of coins that
are fantastic. Sets that any of us would love to own.

I think about doing that, but then, that comfort zone hits me.
For example, the Mercury dimes. You are right that a set
can be completed. But for a high grade set, there are a few
coins that would be a stopper for me. A 1916D in G6/VG8
will be hundreds of dollars .. I can and most likely will do that. But in higher grades that coin will be in the
thousands, I feel once I got to that coin, there would
always be different coins I would buy.

I guess each collector must decide what series they like the
most and focus their attention on that set. But going into
coin shops, and seeing all the different coins available,
that can be a very hard thing to do.

Seeing some of the very nice high grade coins here on CCF,
makes me think .. wow I should get coins like those.
But in real life, I do not feel comfortable paying those
prices ... and in some cases do not have that kind of funds
for such high priced coins. But they are nice to look at
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04/12/2015 10:13 am
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Darth Morgan

I think we do think along the same lines, as far as collecting.

I too would like to complete more of my sets, I should
stop adding more albums .. but that is hard.

For the Morgan set, that 1893S is going to be a killer for me. I have only four coins that I paid more than $1000 for.
Three of those I sold/traded other coins to help fund the
purchase. The forth, I won a good jackpot at the casino,
treated myself to a 1909S vdb.

Really the same goes for the two Carson City GSA dollars I
bought this past week .. hit a not as good jackpot .. but
was enough to pick up a couple coins.

I often wonder if a certain set should be the crown of my collection. I go from .. my Lincoln set is what I started
first .. and it is not a bad set .. as far as grade, to my
type set. It is completed but could use a lot of upgrades.

Then I like buying 2 1/2 Gold Indians .. and have about
half the coins need for a complete set.

Another day .. I see the nice Walking Liberty half dollar
set Muddler has .. and think .. I would like a set in that
grade range.

Somehow ... I know that answer should be .. just be happy
with what I am putting together .. But with some planning,
it would help on staying focused.

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@ GR58:
Actually, I completed an Australian type set, where each date was represented by the rarest date for the type. The rarest coins in my set would have graded VF. Took eight years to complete.

Then I asked myself:
'What series should I now collect that would be impossible to complete?'
The answer slowly dawned on me -
ancient coins!
Such a collection can be taken in two ways:
1.) Each coin is a stand alone individual, or
2.) you can have a collection of them, of any size.

I read on the subject for two years before starting out in this new direction.
Been at it for perhaps 30 years now, and I am still learning.

I also have a nice collection of about 80 silver dimes, condition VF to MS65, including a 1919 full bands in MS62.
The 1919 came out of a $10 junk bin!
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Actually, I completed an Australian type set, where each date was represented by the rarest date for the type. The rarest coins in my set would have graded VF. Took eight years to complete.


That sounds very interesting .. I am thinking that must
have taken a lot of effort to complete ...
But well worth it when completed .. very much a crown jewel
to your collection.

I can only dream of doing a U.S. type set putting all better
grade key coins. I know I would have to win the lottery
before I would take on that challenge.

I have some ancient coins in my collection, I also find
them very interesting. So far I only pick them up when
they come into my local coin shops.
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Enjoyed reading your post GR. And based on pictures you have posted, I don't know, but you sure have some awfully nice coins.

I find, for myself, that I work best with a targeted list of coins I am looking for and a budget, with occasional allowances to buy something I wasn't planning for. I would probably be happiest buying coins in the $50 range. There are lots of nice coins in that price range and $50 is my monthly budget, so it all just fits.

However, I also like completing sets, so I have to spend more sometimes. For example, I am working on an uncirculated Lincoln set. There are 7 coins left on my list - 6 after a 17-S that I just bought arrives (ANACS MS63RB). All end in an S or D and are all earlier than 1927. And that's with my existing VG versions of the 09-S and 14-D and no 09-S VDB yet. So - none of those are cheap or easy.

So, I allow myself the occasional purchase when I run across something. I've been looking for an upgrade to my Bust Dime in my 7070. Finally found one, and in putting it in my album noticed my silver Roosie could probably be better. So, $6 later, I have a lusterous beauty that just arrived. I get as much fun out of the $6 coins sometimes. I also recently upgraded my 3 cent silver. Wasn't on any list but ran across a really good deal on one and bought it too.

So - I work on a goal while letting myself buy the occasional "not on the plan" coins to keep my interest and for fun.
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04/12/2015 11:43 am
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KenKat
Thanks for posting. I also enjoy reading about other collectors views
and styles of collecting. I am ..a little surprised ..well maybe not
suprised ...that your upgrading your 7070.

I could only hope that someday my 7070 get's to the level of yours.

But then every time I do upgrade one of my 7070 coins I do like
The set a little better. My Bust Dime and Quarter, are the two coins
I would like to upgrade the most.

I was thinking posting like this, and getting the mid level collectors
opinions ...on how they collect, might be helpful to beginning and
younger collectors.

I like picking up coins that are not expensive ...that add to my
collection.

Like the gold plated 1883 V nickel in the picture above.

There are two holes at the end of my ,very low grade V nickel set.
I put the gold plated nickel in one of those holes, so when others
are looking at hat set ...I can share the story of V nickel being
passed as a five dollar gold coin.

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I think your over doing the process of coin collecting. Over thinking it all. I just simply think of this as a hobby. I buy what I want, when I want, if I can afford to, what I can afford. I don't worry about completing sets, Albums, etc. I just collect coin for fun. To many people worry about documenting, logging, sorting and on and on and on. It is supposed to be all in fun. IF you don't find what you want today or tomorrow, so what. There is always another day. Keeping track of what it costs, where you got it, when you got it and lots of other STUFF, to me is just not important. I do this thing called collecting coins for FUN.
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Just Carl ..
Where do I start ..

I love seeing your coins .. and would love to have a collection only a fraction as nice as yours.
It is great to see pictures of your albums when you post them.

Those of us that have been on here for years ..
Know that you have over a 100 Whitman albums
10 or 12 each of Mercury dimes and Lincoln cents.
That is a wonderful thing.

I have to think, that as you do your FSB set of Mercury
dimes. That it takes some planning.
They are not just going to show up at your LCS.
You have to plan what shows you go to. Take a list
of which coins you need. Make sure those coins you
are looking at, fit your criteria and that you are
paying the right price.

But most of us middle class collectors can not go out
and purchase 1916 D dimes and 1909 S vdb Lincolns with
out some planning.

Because of economic factors many collectors may never
purchase the key coins for some of their collection.

What I am trying to say is, with a little planning
and coming to a understanding that you may not need
a top grade key coin. That most of us can complete
our collection and be happy with what we have put
together.

Good thing about CCF, is that there are all levels of
collectors here. From roll hunters putting together
circulation sets, to high end collectors buying high
grade early U.S. gold. They all add to this site.
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