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Edited by rynegold
04/28/2015 2:27 pm
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Looks like it was set partially above the collar when struck. It's an 8tf so maybe it was just an early adjustment they needed to make...  Wait, there's clashing so adjustment theory is out... probably just sat at a slight angle when inserted and struck? Edited by Cascade
04/28/2015 2:07 pm
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nice to see this on an 8tf. but, I'm still saying a striking error
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Well isn't the reeded edge "rolled on after the coin is struck? A separate operation?
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It looks like a Partial Collar Strike Quote:A partial collar error occurs when the collar (the retaining ring that establishes the final diameter of the coin) is not fully deployed during the strike. As a result, part of the coin protrudes above the collar, and it consequently expands beyond its normal diameter in this area. The edge will show a protruding "step" or "flange" that extends out from the face that was positioned above the level of the collar. This face is the one struck by the hammer die, since the collar always surrounds the neck of the anvil die. In coins with reeded edges, the smooth-edged flange will be associated with the face struck by the hammer die, while the thin band of reeding below it will be associated with the face struck by the anvil die. - http://www.error-ref.com/inverted-d...nstallation/ Quote:
Well isn't the reeded edge "rolled on after the coin is struck? No. Google "partial collar Morgan" and many examples come up. Nice find! Edited by amida17
04/28/2015 2:36 pm
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Am I rich? lol! thanks amida!
Edited by rynegold
04/28/2015 2:43 pm
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I believe a Reeded coin has reeds on the collar that are pressed in with the force of the strike
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So is this a known VAM also? That is/those die clashes in my last 2 pix" That's what they must be unless a crack can form in a "v"! That first clash pic, the line doesn't get into the "n" in "In God We Trust" and, it's offset; i.e. like it's a step down sorta, from a high level to a lower one. I've never owned a die clash coin that I know of. |
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trust me, the die clash is not the cool factor here! a Morgan dollar error is a rare and very popular thing which generates value. the die clash how ever is common on this series especially in the spots you posted. I would seriously consider sending this coin out to pcgs for certification SPECIFYING YOU WANT AN ERROR ATTRIBUTION. you have a very cool, rare and popular piece of one of the most popular coins in the numismatic world.....treasure her. also, how did you get this coin? Feel free to call me Will.
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I picked up a partial collar British India 1835 rupee not too long ago. Doubt it has any special value, though.
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dollarman, I got it on ebay! And now that yawll have called my attention to it; there is a clash on the front; it's in the field, next to where her bonnet tucks in, then flares out at the bottom and comes in contact w/her hair. Its a clash of the olive wreath! Heck even I can see it!  |
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do you mind me asking what you paid?
Feel free to call me Will.
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It was this auction: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1878-8TF-1-...p=true&rt=ncThe black stuff/areas on the obverse are actually imperfections rolled into the silver on the surface when the planchets were struck. Looking w/ a loupe, they are actually voids! holes! They're not on the surface, they go down into the planchet.   Edited by rynegold
04/28/2015 4:15 pm
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I am not an expert on these but have picked up a little bit on this forum, I assume that the 8tf is rarer and that you paid around retail, if so than there is only one expression that comes to mind.....icing on the cake!
Feel free to call me Will.
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Oh SsuperDdave...where art thou SsuperDdave?(likely working, he seems to be a busy man).
Feel free to call me Will.
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Who, me?
This is VAM-14.1a, one of the more common 8TF's. And the lack of clashing on it is what would turn it into something spectacular; I think only two unclashed examples are known. Clashed, not so much.
Now. For the partial collar. I'm going to run down a couple folks to ask opinions. For the moment, don't lose this coin.
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Posted 04/28/2015 2:22 pm
