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1833 Capped Bust Half Dollar . . . Authentic?

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I won this 1833 Capped Bust Half on ebay. I did some research before bidding and did come across a 2013 CCF link to a fake 1833, but the photo wasn't there so I couldn't compare this coin to that one.

I know this date has at least thirteen varieties, but the link to the website displaying them wasn't working properly, so I don't know if it matches any of them or not.

I'm not sure if it's authentic or not, but I took a chance and put in a bid.

It's got a 14 day return from a reputable dealer, so if it is not real I'm only out some return postage.

The mushy rims caused me concern, but I know Capped Busts were sometimes weakly struck.

The photos are the sellers. What do people think? Authentic or will I spend some money on return postage?

Thanks for your opinions.

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 Posted 05/11/2015  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Will defer to the experienced on authenticity, looks very cleaned though.
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Looks real but very cleaned and possibly damaged. The way the rim wore (especially on the reverse) on the left and right sides of the coin does not seem natural, almost like it was crushed.
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O-106, I think, and a good VF. I'm leery of the surfaces myself - they look too homogeneous for a coin of that age. Not really worried about authenticity, though - the missing edge details are a function of a very late die state, also evidenced by the stars drawing to the rim.

Under normal circumstances, the weaker areas at the reverse rim at 10:00 and 4:00 would worry me that the coin has been bent and restraightened - that's how wear propagates on a bent coin, but with a Bustie one makes allowances for all sorts of weird die/strike effects. They struck these in huge quantity relative to the coin size and technology of the day.
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It looks authentic to me.
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Looks autheintic, possibly cleaned unless it is something with the photography and lighting. (I don't trust images. Good coins can look bad with poor ones and problem coins can be made to look fine.)
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Just my humble 2 cents, I would spend the money on the return postage. 1833 is a date where quality, original surface high VF or XF coins can be purchased for a reasonable price. I would aim for one in a PCGS holder.
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I received the coin today and was pleasantly surprised. I was expecting an overly-cleaned white coin, but it has an attractive light gray patina.

It may have been cleaned and has now retoned (I'm still learning to detect this), but there aren't any cleaning marks evident on its surfaces.

I paid $80 for it. Is that a decent price for the coin? I like it, even if it may have been cleaned, and am leaning towards keeping it, but would like to hear people's opinions before deciding what to do.

Cleaned and retoned or original? Keep or return?

Thanks!

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I like your coin! but of course I like "these" coins awfully! ;-)

You might have seen this thread:

https://goccf.com/t/228870

I've added pix at the bottom of the thread. I love this series!

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