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1885-O Morgan Dollar

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Can I get an approximate grade and value please? Thanks. Jeff

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This one has some red flags, I'm not sure it is genuine.
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Why not Indian? Jeff
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Mushy looking, reverse rim, date, color and tone matches many of the Chinese counterfeits I have seen. Have you weighed the coin or done a magnet test?
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Correct Indian, it's a fake, just wanted to see if anyone would try to grade it, haha. Thanks. Jeff
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Nice eyeballs Indian! :P
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Jeff, you let the cat out of the bag too soon, it would have been interesting to see how many people would agree.
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haha.......Jeff
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I was on my way to VAMworld until I read further. The mint mark threw an immediate flag for me.
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I suppose I can see both views; one part of me asks "why counterfeit a common-date Morgan?" while the other says "because if you counterfeit CC dollars & 1893's they're more likely to be very closely scrutinized."

The mint mark and date drew my attention on first glance, and the funky reverse rim.

It looks toned similar to the fake Trade dollars that infest ebay 24/7.

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Yeah, the O caught my eye too.
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The mint mark threw an immediate flag for me.


That, and the date. The 5 is an afterthought; the original hub/die for this coin had three date digits and the fourth was added (poorly) later. This is a coin which should not pass a cursory inspection, for those of you who are just learning Morgans.
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Right away it was pretty obvious a fake, I'm talking the first second of seeing it, literally... SD is correct as this coin is a good lipmus test for those just broaching morgans. Just enough to confuse the novice but an immediate scream to the initiated!
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Just wanted to see if anyone would grade (newbies to Morgans), guess I did let it out too early LOL, at the same time that MM definitely gives it away and the rims. Thanks all. Jeff
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Jeff,

I looked at this coin yesterday when there were no posts. I did not know if you were a seller or a buyer, so I never posted. My comments would have been as follows: The coin does not look natural. It looks as it been cleaned and the dirt added to cover the cleaning. If I was a buyer, I would not buy this coin.

I saw the high O mint and checked VAM World and there is a high O mint VAM for the 1885 O, so I never picked up that the coin was fake. I am please that I knew something was wrong, but a little disappointed that I did not know the coin was counterfeit.
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Everyone has something to learn at times Slider23, no worries..Jeff
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