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 Posted 05/28/2015  11:38 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I would like opinions on the grade of this Morgan dollar. I know it's MS or AU, but not sure what number. It looks better in hand, plenty of luster and toning. The mark on the eagles neck is just the shadow of a mark on the 2x2.

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 Posted 05/28/2015  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverStackerKid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a well struck CLEAN morgan. With pics like that it is really hard for me to tell. I think these pics are ms60.
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 Posted 05/29/2015  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Strike appears to be excellent. Better photos would make for a more definitive call, but it's hard to see what could be cited as keeping it from an uncirculated grade. That said, I think there's just enough facial chatter that it goes MS63, which is middling for such a common issue.
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I'm thinking 65
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All right. I'm taking these pictures with my Windows phone- It doesn't have an amazing camera. If I can find my digital camera I'll use that. I've tried my scanner, but found the images to be pixelated. In the past, though, I've gotten it to work well- maybe I need to try again.
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 Posted 05/29/2015  02:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverStackerKid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think that the pics just need to be a bit brighter so we can see them. This could be 65 like edweather said.
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All right, I'll do my best tomorrow. In the meantime, though, I'd better get to bed. It's almost 11:30.
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Nobody's thinking dipped with all the halo effect on the obverse especially the stars? Reverse looks good, obverse concerns me. Very nice strike though
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 Posted 05/29/2015  09:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Nobody's thinking dipped with all the halo effect on the obverse especially the stars?


Not really; knowing it's shot through the cello I'm unwilling to come to any conclusions whatsoever.

Numisma, those shots aren't terrible from a phone camera. The camera wants them too dark; you may get better results in direct sunlight or by applying any corrections you might have available in-phone to brighten the image.

As regards the scanner, it should do OK for you set to 600dpi (no more; 300dpi might be worth a try). More than that is simply wasted because monitors cannot display 600dpi, much less more. Use scans in conjunction with photos, a set of each, to offer detail as well as depictions of luster.

I'd like to see this one in greater detail; I find the date position and the spike coming from the leaf to the right of the bow to be interesting and I'd like to have a shot at attributing it. 1886-P kinda flies in the face of "Normal" date position; many considered "Normal" dates would be "Near" dates for other years. Check date, ear and IGWT for doubling.

Also, on the eagle's right wing, roughly on a horizontal level with the shoulders, I see what could be a curved die scratch. Could you have a closer look at that and see what you think of it?

As of right no I'm calling it a Slider and may or may not be confident about surface originality.
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SsDd, I'll tell you all I can- the spike on the leaf is unfortunately just another shadow from a mark on the plastic. From certain angles I can see very faint evidence of doubling on the bottom right of the first 8 and the 6 in the date, but not on the ear or IGWT. As for the die scratch, I can't see what you mean. Do you mean the viewer's right or the eagle's right? I'll work on getting scans and maybe some more pics, I'll take it out of the 2x2 for that, so that it doesn't interfere, and put it in a new one when I'm done. Be back soon.
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Something else- It may just be the pictures, I don't think the coin has been cleaned, but it is toned. Unfortunately, when I took it out of the 2x2, the coin had toned where there were small holes in the plastic. The same thing happened to another Morgan I have, 10 years newer. Also it turns out the mark on the eagle's neck actually is on the coin. Pics coming soon.
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All right, I finally got them. I have three more photos to showcase luster and edges. As for scans, I didn't get good ones until my third try. The first time, they didn't show up on my USB, and the second time I saved them as PDF files which I can't do anything with. It also turns out I had the scanner on 200 dpi, so I put it on 600. I tried to get a close up of the date, but the doubling is really only visible to the naked eye. In the scan, I also noticed some doubling to the left of the 6.
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Looks AU-58 or MS-63.
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MS-63, good strike, might be a VAM-1C (clashed reverse right of eagle in field) but hard to tell, those could be scratches. They're in the right position for a -1C though. Doesn't seem to have the die chip in the 6 that is diagnostic of the RPD VAM-20. Toning looks correct to me without coin in hand.


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I agree, It's a 1C.
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I just looked up VAM-1C. You're absolutely right, the clashes are clear from certain angles. It appears to be of the 3+3 variety, with no die chip in the G in God.
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