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No Consensus On Price: New Zealand 2004 5 Cent

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Hey, so I'm interested in your thoughts on the value of the New Zealand 2004 5 cent coin.

The value now and in the future?

There doesn't seem to be any consensus on the price right now. In any given month, some coins sell for as much as $20+ on one day, and as low as (about) $6 or $7 the next.

Do a search on ebay to see what I mean.

When will we see a consensus on the price of this coin and how much should it be?



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 Posted 06/11/2015  03:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's hard to say - sometimes when you have buyers that are desperate at that time, they might drive up the price drastically. I've bought one coin for 80 dollars. Few months down the road, it's at a fraction of mere 30 dollars and then back up at 50.

That said, New Zealand 2004 5 cents isn't too common as the mintage figure is estimated to be very low at around 32,000 to 48,000. At one stage it was more than 100 dollars due to the hype. It has cooled down since then I guess.
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 Posted 06/11/2015  08:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I paid $30 for one back in 2009.

For any given coin series, I have observed that you really need strong local demand in order to generate large price differences between rare or "key" dates and common dates. New Zealand went through a spike in interest in coin collecting when they reformed their coinage, which caused a resultant price spike. But I think the interest has settled back down to background levels now.

The mintage might be around 40,000 but that's still more coins than there are coin collectors in New Zealand - which means that just about anyone who wanted one probably already has one by now.

It's probably a good exercise to compare it to another modern New Zealand "rarity": the 2 cent NZ-Bahamas mule, which apparently has an estimated mintage of about the same size. CV for those is around AU$30 in Unc, but they seem to sell for more like $50 to $100 on ebay. The mule, of course, has more worldwide interest as world error collectors want one, so with less worldwide demand I would expect that the "natural price level" of the 2004 5 cent would be lower. Krause CV for the 2004 5 cents is still only $3 in Unc.

Two other factors affecting the price:

- Judging from current completed listings of the 2004 5 cent coin, there's somebody over in NZ that seems to have an awful lot of these things for sale; nobody intelligent is going to "invest" in something claimed to be "rare" but which seem to be as common as rocks.

- Unlike the Mule, a 2004 5 cent coin is readily available in New Zealand 2004 mint sets. True, it's not "the same" as the circulation 2004 5 cent coin because it was struck at a different mint, but only a mad keen variety hunter would obsess over such a difference, especially when there isn't a clear, obvious mintmark. So in that sense, the 2004 5 cent coin isn't all that different from the other "found in sets only" NZ coins.
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From the New Zealand 2014 coin catalog ( Betrand) an uncirc example is worth NZ$5.00 about US$3.50. There is a story behind this coin and a few years ago you couldn't have purchased one for anything less than US$100. New Zealand got rid of the five cent piece in 2006/7. It was realised that although 15,000,000 2004 5 cents had been struck very few had been issued. Very quickly it became a very sought after coin. The price rocketed.

Although very few of the coins were issued to banks some company in Europe had purchased at least one bank bag of the coins to put into a coin set. With the price of the 2004 climbing a large number returned to the market and the price dropped. A lot of NZ coin collectors were stung. It is believed that of the 15 million struck only 48,000 survived all the rest were destroyed un issued. Probably that 5 cent in 10-15 years will regain some of its lost value as people forget the pain they suffered. That coin change over saw some other rarities created which are likely sleepers 2005 10 cent( US$56.00) estimated to have only issued 28,000 out of 2 million struck. 2005 20 cent estimated 178,000 survivors of 4 million (US$24.00) 2005 50 cent 503,000 survivors out of 1 million. you can see why I think the 2004 5 cent is undervalued
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Is there any difference at all between the mint set and circulation coins?
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I know that here in the States, mint sets encompass both uncirculated and proof sets. Not really sure how it works in NZ, though.
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There is a difference between the set coins and the circulation coins...they were struck by different mints. I will have to do some digging to find the differences....( Its so long since I collected these coins!)

I checked with the editor of the NZ Numismatic Jnl. His memory is always heaps better than mine According to him: The mint-set coins have thicker zeroes, a broader 2 and a much stronger serif at bottom right. He provided this old unclear puicture. Top is Circulation bottom is sets the 5 cent is on the left ( I think its a large 10 cent on the right). I have a circualtion 2004 5 cent at home but the set I think is in my NZ safety deposit box( I live in Austria!!



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