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 Posted 08/09/2015  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gidjit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
its impossable to have 2 different years on the same coin
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 Posted 08/09/2015  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gidjit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The Coin has been in a Jewelry Box Since the late 40s, Fact. My wife's Grandmother put it in her Jewelry Box

maybe your wifes grandfather squished it in a vice then your wifes grandmother found it on the garage floor and put it away
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 Posted 08/09/2015  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darryldarryl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can lead a horse to the water...
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 Posted 08/09/2015  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chequer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Time to lock this puppy and send the doggy home. It's not like it's a logical argument, it's a constant


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Stuff happens. The coin exists deal with it.


This after experts have chimed in. This thread has outlived any usefulness.
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 Posted 08/09/2015  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add StrangeCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not trying to sell the coin here I just thought you would like to see it, but a closed mind is a sad thing. Not one of you would have blinked twice about this coin if it only had the triple strike. Am I Right? but look at the triple strike only Notice how each layer overlays Also look at The type size when the die is off to the right it spread when it was last hit it again returned to the correct size. If you look at all accepted examples it does exactly the same as what your seeing, so because it's is reverse struck you believe it was done in a vice. I am still waiting for someone to create the triple strike in there garage. Incused is easy and according to Mint employees easier to do in a die when a planchet gets stuck without using the obverse Die. Obviously the coin was struck 3 times before it was knocked out. "Mistakes can happen at any stage of this manufacturing process" this is a partial quote from the wikipedia site. Mated pair or set[edit]
A collection of two or more coins struck at the same time or during successive strikes on one or more dies, these coins with the resulting errors are related to one another, fitting together as a set.[11] All brockages, indents, chain edge strikes, and capped die strikes have a corresponding coin, but are rarely found together. A single coin of the set may be discovered by mint staff during quality control and removed, or the coins may be separated into different lots to be distributed separately into circulation. again from wikipedia site maybe they are wrong right guys.
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 Posted 08/09/2015  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add StrangeCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
its impossable to have 2 different years on the same coin, wow that explains all the coins like the 1941=42 dime 1869-8 penny 1887-86 3 cent 1918-7 quarter hears one hard to explain 1882 O over S Dollar 1880-79CC Dollar and others I guess these never happened. Face it it's a mint coins are there and maybe some older culls Stuff happens, how do you think errors happen someone makes a mistake or does something wrong.
Think people talk to the real experts the ones who worked at the MINT.
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 Posted 08/09/2015  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robmck1967 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey strangecoins. You have already had some of the top error experts chime in on this coin. That's great if you don't accept their opinions. That is completely your right. They are good people who give their opinions free of charge and for the betterment of the hobby.

Thank them for their opinions and then send it in for certification. We would love to be proven wrong because it means that we all learned something new and that you have a cool coin!

Best to get it certified and then post the results here.

Welcome to CCF!
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 Posted 08/09/2015  11:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add StrangeCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I find it hard to believe all the books written on the mint errors are by people who never ran a mint press or even consulted with people who ran the actual equipment giving them credit for their knowledge, why is that the facts that come from these books come from people who look into the errors but do not try to find out why the error occurred or how the machine produced them. What you read in the book is the collar did not engage but not why the collar did not engage. I have worked with die machines of a different kind before, I also know what happens when a die gets overloaded or jammed Iv'e even had them break from being overloaded. Iv'e seen people loose fingers to them. So I know stuff happens in a factory and the Mint even though it has heavy security is still just a factory that produces a product and sometimes that product may be less than we believe it should be but accidents happen in factories, not all are explainable and not all will be truthfully accounted for because not all people who run these factories want it to be common knowledge that stuff happens.
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 Posted 08/09/2015  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robmck1967 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well I look forward to your book on errors.
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 Posted 08/09/2015  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Badger Mint to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Comparing overdates of consecutive years on a single die to two non sequential dates on opposite sides of a Canadian cent is a cry for help. Maybe these "mint workers" you've referenced who "cleared dies with cull coins" are really only in your mind? And those "old mint books" never really existed? C'mon Strangecoins, admit it. You want so much to believe that this coin is truly a mint product that you are willing to ignore what is right in front of you as well as the accumulated numismatic knowledge of this group. Sad, really, but if it will ease your mind, I am going to the World's Fair of Money this week in Chicago and I will show your pictures to Fred Weinberg, Ken Potter, and all the guys at the CONECA table who if you don't know, ARE the experts on error coins and the minting process. As always, have nice day.
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 Posted 08/09/2015  11:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Strange,

when you talk (or type) you are simply repeating something that you already (think) you know,

when you LISTEN you might actually learn something new.

experts, whose collecting experience total hundreds (if not a thousand) years of experience are giving you their opinion and challenging you to prove them wrong by sending the coin in for certification.

instead of asking for us to duplicate your coin why don't you put your money where your mouth is (pun intended) and send it in?

if it comes back legit I will personally pay your expenses.

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08/09/2015 11:50 pm
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 Posted 08/09/2015  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zimmy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just had a chance to look at this thread. Very obvious that the coin is fake. Also obvious that the owner is having a hard time accepting this and has dug his heels in. As already stated, owner needs to send coin into one of the major grading services and hopefully that will put an end this this. We have seen this happen many times and it won't be the last. It's just human nature but it almost always ends the same.
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 Posted 08/10/2015  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgHoarder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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if it will ease your mind, I am going to the World's Fair of Money this week in Chicago and I will show your pictures to Fred Weinberg, Ken Potter, and all the guys at the CONECA table who if you don't know, ARE the experts on error coins and the minting process. As always, have nice day


An olive branch, even considering the tone of this conversation. Good on you Badger.
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 Posted 08/10/2015  12:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add StrangeCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
robmck1967 thanks and first of all, I do appreciate the info, what I did not appreciate is the fact that None and I do mean None could tell me why the coin could not be a true mint error. what I got was this could be made in my garage or a coin could not possibly have 2 dates on it, which is obviously not true 1942-41 dime. Or how the incised 1941 on the obverse of the already obvious triple strike makes the coin impossible, why? No one has shared that with me. Or how about the one who came up with the story about my wife's grandfather (who was by the way a barber) making the coin with a vise and not one has shared with me how a triple strike like this can be created in a garage or what would be the motive to create such a coin in the first place. the sad story of it being worth the money then is just foolish. Error coins in the forties & fifties were not sot after nor were they worth much especially Canadian Coins. Error coins were not sot after in ernest till the 1943 copper penny showed up in the 60s long after this coin was in my wife's grandmothers jewelry box and Canadian Coins were not doing well until the 90s. I also do not appreciate the lack of respect by people referring to me as someone who is not trust worthy or might put the coin on ebay. I have been an ebay Antiques dealer since 2001 and I research everything I put on I also have signed original US deeds on ebay one of which I put 4 years of research into before posting it. Also I am having the coin looked at and graded, and I have sent a message over to Mike Diamond of world coins. I have been collecting errors and coins all my life I do know whats possible and whats not possible. And some things are rather obvious they are fake. By the way the reverse strike on the obverse has amazing detail also, never seen a vise job or hammer pressure strike show up with as much detail. My wife is from Nova Scotia her Mother was married to the Chief justice of Nova Scotia he died in the 90s, she verified the coin being in her mother jewelry box before the 50s. My wife who I have been married to for ten years has told me about the coin but just this past week got around to showing me.
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Looks like no one will convince the OP that the coin is a fake.
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