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Communities Considering Bans On 'Cash For Gold' Shops

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Oak Park to consider cash-for-gold shop ban
http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...5-story.html


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During the Sept. 8 Village Board meeting, representatives of a group of citizens calling themselves NAZDAC (which stands for North Avenue Zoning and Development Advisory Committee) spoke to trustees seeking to ban cash-for-gold and cash-for-gift-card shops along the roadway. NAZDAC is made up of seven residents who live in either Oak Park, Chicago's Galewood or Austin neighborhoods.

Calling cash-for-gold shops a "negative use" that discourage others from opening businesses nearby, committee chair Judith Alexander hoped Oak Park board members would seek a full ban on such businesses to promote redevelopment in the North Avenue corridor.


Ban on pawn shops, cash-for-gold stores proposed for Center City
http://www.bizjournals.com/philadel...n-shops.html

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Philadelphia City Council is floating a bill to ban pawn shops, cash-for-gold stores and check cashing businesses in Center City, according to PlanPhilly.

The move would ban such personal-credit establishments from the Delaware River to Broad Street and Spring Garden to Spruce Streets. That would surely remove some businesses on Market Street East.


As collectors what is your opinions on municipalities trying to use zoning regulations to force out businesses that they feel constitute a "negative use" or are not the type of businesses fit the image of what they want their community to look like? Should businesses like pawn shops, payday lenders, title loan lenders, resale shops, thrift shops, and cash for gold be forced out of business. Some local governments and activists would certainly like to see them go away for a variety of reasons.

I fully understand that some of these businesses are not scrupulous in their dealings, but should municipalities use a broad brush in banning whole industries, wiping out the good with the bad? It could be argued that most retailers have higher profit margins than these so called "negative uses". Could this be the slippery slope to banning all coin and precious metal dealers since they could be used as outlets for stolen property or money laundering?

Your thoughts?
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I would agree that traveling 'roadshows' that stop in a town for a few days, heavily advertising that they buy coins. precious metals, jewelry, and other collectables should perhaps be banned. They are the worst of the worst, bouncing checks and blatantly deceiving people since they will be long out of town when consumers find out that they have been cheated and have little legal recourse.
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I would agree that traveling 'roadshows' that stop in a town for a few days, heavily advertising that they buy coins. precious metals, jewelry, and other collectables should perhaps be banned


But, I do not believe it will happen.
Living in a rural community these shows are sponsered ( sp. ) by local clubs.
American Legion, Kiwanis etc. They do make a percentage of the take.
Who checks the scales on any of these places?
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But, I do not believe it will happen.
Living in a rural community these shows are sponsored ( sp. ) by local clubs.
American Legion, Kiwanis etc. They do make a percentage of the take.
Who checks the scales on any of these places?


Yeah I highly doubt their scales are calibrated any...
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The list of "unacceptable" businesses could expand to include bars, bars within certain limits of church or school (as some already do), topless bars of any variety, strip clubs, pawn shops almost exclusively dealing in the recently stolen, normal pawn shops that have so many regulations it's amazing they stay in business now, street vendors of every stripe including the good old roach coach, and that's to say nothing of establishments that in some form or another step on the toes of some religion, ethnic group, gender, or hair color.

In short, each community has the right to install a ban on any of those as long as everyone else just shuts up and lets them do it. If you want a change one way or another - then get to the board meetings yourself and open your mouth.
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Well said.
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The biggest problem I've heard about the Cash for Gold shops is that they don't use the RIGHT scale. They weigh the metal in aviordupois ounces and not troy ounces. You loose about ten per cent that way.
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If these "activists" had their way there would be no business anywhere. No one forces people to sell their stuff at any of these places, but it's their item to do with as they please. No matter what people may think these places do to their community, they still pay taxes, employee people, pay insurances and give the people a place to legally get money. I would rather have that than people robbing people for a few bucks.

If people really want to go after crooked business they should attack gamestop. That place buys used games for $10 bucks or less and resell them at $5 less than new prices. They have robbed more people than all the gold and silver places combined yet towns give them tax breaks to set up shop. It's all marketing.
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If they weigh your metal in avoirdupois and pay you by the troy ounce, then you're the one coming out on top.
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Thanks for the comments everyone! This is a nuanced topic since I'm sure nobody here likes some of the practices that some cash for gold shops operate under.

In my mind it is one thing for businesses proven to have to have illegal practices to be prosecuted so that they can no longer harm the public. It is totally another to assume beforehand that certain business types are guilty of being a blight on the community before they even complete their first transaction. Everyone knows that you are not getting a good deal borrowing money from a payday lender or selling your gold and silver to a pawn shop but some people need quick cash now and that flexibility comes with a cost.

Businesses playing games with their scales and other deceptive business practices need to be prosecuted. Draconian zoning regulations that target the good and the bad equally is no substitute for not prosecuting businesses that misrepresent their wares or engage in deceptive business practices.
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By the way I was just reading some fluff pieces that local newspapers were putting out promoting these traveling roadshow types a few years back and it is just sickening how they covered these 'events'. Good old investigative journalism is dead.
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I live in a small Minnesota town that has at least one church on every block. All of them are having Lutefisk suppers during these weeks leading up to Christmas.

I've seriously considered starting a campaign against them being able to cook Lutefisk within the town proper. If you've never smelled that stuff cooking, consider yourself blessed.

Me doing that makes about as much sense as some of the ordinances put in place already. I don't even want to start on 'frac sand mining'. But as to the gold n' silver shops they are no different than any business that buys used items, to include vehicles, antiques, collectibles, jewelry, rugs, or what have you. It also really doesn't matter what they use for a scale. They could toss it in the air and decide the weight based on how long it takes to drop back in their hand. They offer you X dollars for X item. Take it or leave it.
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They offer you X dollars for X item. Take it or leave it.

Pretty much this. if you don't do your own due diligence before hand you have no basis for complaint after the fact
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If they find the shops are doing something illegal by all means shut them down and/or prosecute them. Just banning them because they don't like them however is not a road we want to start traveling down. While I firmly believe private developers should be able to decide who they lease to I couldn't disagree more with a city banning legal business just because they don't like it. If they do this and deem it a success it won't be long until they start targeting other things. I'm not buying their logic at all either. I seriously doubt anyone has ever heard a business say well I would have started a business here but there's a cash for gold place near by so I am going somewhere else.

The ban makes even less since when the majority of those cash for gold places are temporary anyway. We all saw them popping up on every corner with surging metal prices, now that prices have been in a decline for years most of those places are gone.
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Where I live those cash-for-gold shops are all over. Also pawn shops, title loan stores and check cashing stores. It's just the nature of the part of the city where my house is. I've seen many of them come and go over the years.

I agree this topic is a slippery slope. We shouldn't ban something just because we don't like it.
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I'm of the opinion that those who buy/sell physical goods, as long as their is no fraud in their practices should be able to setup shop as they please. Whether it's new retail or second hand thrift or collectables, it's all the same game... source if for less than you sell it. Anyone here who has ever flipped a coin to fund something of greater value understands this. This is the fundamentals of really basic economics. Banning "They offer you X dollars for X item. Take it or leave it," when it comes to physical property is a slope we just should not go down as a country. I put Pawn Shops into this category because much of what they deal in is physical stuff, doesn't matter if its a gold coin or an ugly action figure.

However, regulating those who setup shops selling financial contracts that put disadvantaged people into long term disadvantaged situations needs to be regulated. There are already lots of laws dealing with contracts that prohibit certain types of scenarios regardless of what the contract says. I am defiantly in regulating these contracts. All sorts of things changed regarding mortgage practices after the recent recession for the protection of everyone.

As for where shops can be setup, I know zoning laws like to keep certain types of operations in certain places. But if a shop can afford to operate in a certain place, then by all means they have the right to try. Living here in SW Florida, I am reminded of 5th Avenue S in Naples. City Council has gone out of its way to keep corporate retail (except for a couple locally founded chains) out in favor of boutiques, banking / real estate services, art, and jewelry, a coin shop and a couple antique shops. Makes for a high end experience for sure.
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