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Valued Member
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Hello from a Newb!  I am new to collecting, so bear with me. After scouring through the " Red Book" and hours of reading online, I think I am ready to purchase my first coins. I would like to start a high-quality set of Franklins (thinking nothing less than a MS-63 through 1949, then starting with proofs thereafter). I noticed one member had started collecting Franklin proofs, which looked very cool!  A few questions: Is it wise to always purchase graded/slabbed coins for the long-term? I have noticed many collectors prefer coin collecting books instead of slabs. Any reason why I should prefer one over the other? Thanks for any advice you can give. :) Edit: I am also looking for some reputable online dealers. I'm trying to stay away from ebay. Feel free to PM me any suggestions. :) Edited by logantrky 01/16/2016 7:56 pm
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Recommend slabs, especially since you are new ..... Look at auctions for potential coins ..... Buy the best grades you can - lower grades tend to have less appreciate potential!
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 to CCF! Are you comfortable telling the difference between an AU-55 and an MS-63 Franklin? To me Franklins are one of the hardest coins to grade. If you MUST have 63 I recommend going the slab route. If you are just looking for some nice examples then you could buy raw. The good thing about Franklin set is there isn't a key date that will be impossible to get. This is definitely a doable set. Good luck!
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Thank you so much for your feedback. It is a great help. I am still learning what to look for in grading, so I think slabs are my best bet. I've noticed the prices are quite a bit higher in the Red Book for the 1948 coin I am looking at. In MS-65 condition, the book values it at $80. For the examples I'm looking at online, I'm seeing $130-$200 for a slabbed coin. Is this typical?
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I agree that Franklins are tough to grade,like the Kennedys..Sounds like slabs are the way to go for you,mostly becase differences between 63-65 is hard to tell...also coins with FBL are more in demand. Often it depends on the buyers pool..Look into Heritage auctions
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Slabbed coins tend to have a premium price. But, for the example you cited, you need to do a bit more shopping around. Great Collections currently has several 1948 Franklin halves. The highest MS65 slab is currently at $110. Patience, deals are out there if you watch for them. I sometimes get good deals at coin shops and especially at coin shows. To answer your earlier question, coin albums tend to be more for raw and/or circulated coins.
Edited by batboy 01/16/2016 10:50 pm
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I'd highly recommend going on ebay or the like and buying a range of budget slabbed Franklin halves in various grades around the grade you are interested in. Do it for proof and regular. Challenge yourself. See if you can get a slabbed Franklin in MS state for less than the melt cost and $20 - $25 slabbing fee. It can be done. I found it useful in evaluating other raw coins in my collection and the differences between graded coins, even with the same grade on the label. As for raw vs slabbed, collect what you like. Lots of us have sets both ways. Me, I only have raw sets and then some 'grading sets' in slabs for a physical reference when grading coins. I will do an Ike slabbed set someday I am sure. You will too. We all will. Ike fever is spreading and the only cure is more Ikes. . . . As for pricing. I have never paid full RedBook for a coin. I'd be weary of paying that. List prices are basically prices that nobody in the world has decided to purchase that item at before. Why would you want to be that guy? For slabbed coin pricing, I'd look into Heritage or ebay completed auctions. Those are actual sales. You can also look at the PCGS / NGC websites as they have price guides for their coins, but they are again typically a bit high.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Welcome! Use numismedia.com for a much better price list than RedBook. The RedBook is always - and always has been - way to high in its values. But this is somewhat understandable since they have to make the book's contents the year before its printed and cannot dynamically update the prices like a website can. The book's main practical use is the historic backgrounds and mintage figures. Also remember that coins can be toned by albums over time.
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I suggest going for the FBL distinction as well if you can. There are a few that will likely be too expensive with FBL though so you may have to just go with a regular MS on those few.
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Don't be afraid of ebay. I do most of my shopping there. I would go with a slabbed set. It's certainly doable in the grades you're after, and there aren't a gazillion different coins in this set. That's a plus.
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Rest in Peace
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Your new to collecting coins. starting with Franklins might be a little too hard for you right now. So keep eye appeal foremost when your ready to buy. as most others have said go with the graded slabbed coins. but don't just go by what is printed on the slab label. some members quote ; Buy The Coin Not The Slab. I don't know what your budget is ,but MS-63 Franklins is not the way I would go. you don't have to go with FBL ,but at least keep them all at MS-64-65 . Good luck.
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United States
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You have received a lot of good advice here so far and I agree with the buying certified coins in slabs as then you are sure of the grade you are getting. That said you should look at the coins closely to determine if the look (eye appeal) of the coin fits what you like. Some people only want blast white coins with no toning and others like the toning if it's pretty and only the buyer can determine what he likes. I also collect Franklin half dollars and I have two high end sets of raw coins and I'm currently working on a certified set and I have it about 1/4 of the way complete. The Franklins with Full Bell lines are nice but they can cost significantly more than the same grade without the full bell lines so only you can decide if it's worth it to you. I buy most of my coins off of ebay and I only buy coins that have sharp clear pictures of the coin, an accurate description, and I only buy from sellers with lots of feedback that is all positive. You should also be aware that a lot of the main stream dealers are selling on ebay because it's such a strong market for them.
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Sticking with slabbed coins is a good way to learn how to grade Franklins and you will avoid big mistakes that way. The down side is that bargains will be hard to come by. One problem with online coin dealers is that everyone seems to want top dollar for their coins. Dealers seem to put their coin out there at 30-50% above retail and then they just sit. The same thing seems to be true on ebay for Buy It Now as well. I would stick to looking at ending competitive bid auction prices on sites such as ebay, Heritage or Great Collections to get an idea of real world prices and then look to buy at coin shows, dealers or online in the neighborhood of those prices. For every coin I am looking for, I have a target price range and try to be patient. If I was willing to pay the 30-50% above retail that dealers seem to want, I could finish my list today. But I am not willing to do that, so I wait.
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Pillar of the Community
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The Franklyn set was the first I completed but I was able to acquire most from circulation. So in revisiting the design I did not want to repeat the collection and delved in cameo proofs. These require being graded and slabbed and it has become apparent that few dealers have any quantity of cameo proof Franklyn's forcing me to use ebay to develop my set. If your goal is higher graded coins I to suggest getting yours in graded slabs. I like the fact I have a set used for commerce that has been passed from hand to hand and my current set produced for collectors never intended to circulate. Good luck on your endevour and post your additions.    
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Valued Member
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Wow, thank you all so much for your advice. This is REALLY helping me out. Keep it coming!
I am going to keep an eye out for a 1948-P Franklin in MS-65 condition. Not a big fan of the toning (although I can appreciate its appeal). I am really drawn to the blast-white coins.
@muddler: Thanks for showing part of your collection. That 1954 is beautiful!
Edited by logantrky 01/17/2016 3:06 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Proof Franklin halves can suffer from milk spots and hairlines. Coins with heavy milk spots and hairlines will be less desirable than ones without those problems. -MV
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