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Use Haxby 1859 Site To Identify Mystery 1859-S - 2

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It is incuse! Now what do you say?
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No action yet on the matter of the incuse line to the G on No. 23, so we'll start No. 24. To start this is all you get: Loop 7. What Reverse Group(s) could this coin be?



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Group F
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Yes....Is that the only group?
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G-H
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It's true that Groups F, G & H all have what I call a medium gap in Loop 7. But not all medium gaps are the same. Specifically, when the reverse punch sank our unknown die it was in State 8 (see http://www.vickycents.com/prime-s3.html). Using this information and the graphic in Section 9 in the Introduction to my catalog, what say you now?

Think on that while I go to bed and get some sleep.
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Link does not work
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Sorry about that. The link was to Section 3 of the Introduction to the 1859 Varieties, which is under the Articles tab on the home page of my site. Hopefully, every keen 59er will eventually thoroughly study the Introduction. It's really important for understanding the 1859s.

Anyway, reference to Sections 3 & 9 tells us that the "medium" gap (unlike the narrow and wide gaps) in Loop 7 is in fact a continuum of four sub-categories, M1, M2, M3 and M4. While Groups F, G & H are all said to have a medium gap, only certain of the medium gap sub-categories occur in each of the three groups.

So, to answer my question one must first identify the sub-category of the medium gap in the photo of No. 24 and then see which Reverse Group(s) it appears in. Anybody ready to take a stab at it?

To close out the matter of the line to the G on No. 23: it's a lint mark; the coin was struck through a tiny piece of lint on the die. Lint marks on Provincial cents are very uncommon, but I've seen a few.
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http://www.vickycents.com/id-my-coin.html

See if this link will work. I copied and pasted like you said Don.
Below should be the Link Dr. Haxby was trying earlier. I'll try it again. Hope it works.

http://www.vickycents.com/prime-s3.html

The entire article is a wealth of information, and if you're serious about collecting 1859's by dies, you should read the whole article.


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Thanks, Randy, the links work fine. Once you have clicked on the link for section 3, all you have to do to get to section 9 is click on the 9 at the bottom of the page.
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The unwoking link has a ). at the end that spoiled it. All Vickycent links end with .html
Ed
Have you ever clicked on portraits on the search by obverse markers page? Try repunched letters profile. Enjoy
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Yes Ed, I clicked on the portrait of Victoria by accident one time when I was checking out some repunched obverse letters.

I won't reveal the result, so others can discover it on their own. It works on the die clog portrait, too.
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You guys make my head hurt ... but good on you all for following varieties.
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Was it the lint mark or the medium gap in Loop 7 that got you? Those pesky 59s. Curse that Leonard Wyon for engraving such a fragile maple wreath! No wonder the Resident Engraver, James Wyon, flipped out...
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Loop 7 Medium 1 gap
(Punch State 8)
Now to figure out the rest
Cheers Don

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